Josh & Zach Harvey: Homesteading, Low Time Preference & Moving to Portugal

by | Sep 23, 2023 | Podcast

“No one person knows how to make a pencil. No one person has the resources to make a pencil. You need the chainsaws and the fuel and the mining for the metals to make the chainsaws.

It turns out that to actually feed yourself, you don’t need all those different people. All you need is a little bit of grass and a lamb. And the lamb makes more lambs. 

With the way we’re doing regenerative agriculture, we don’t use any external inputs. We don’t use herbicides, we don’t use fertiliser. We actually don’t need anything from the outside world.

Today’s podcast is a conversation I had in Portugal with a couple of Bitcoin OGs by the names of Josh and Zack Harvey.

The two brothers were responsible for creating the first ever prototype bitcoin ATM way back in 2013, an endeavour that has given rise to their market leading company ⁠Lamassu⁠, currently supplying Bitcoin ATMs all over the globe.

More recently they have embarked on a inspiring regenerative agriculture project in their adoptive country of Portugal and this conversation helps to reveal some of their motivations and inspirations for not only moving across the world to a foreign country but also for immersing themselves in an experimental farming project. Something that is made all the more unusual by the fact that neither have any previous experience in that field at all.

There’s plenty of advice here if you are thinking about embarking on a food sovereignty project of your own or moving to Portugal which, as you will hear has many benefits for those looking to move countries in search of a better life.

Enjoy the conversation.

Automatically Generated Summary

Section Overview: This section introduces the Free Cities Podcast and the guests, Josh and Zach Harvey, who are Bitcoin experts and founders of a Bitcoin ATM company. They also discuss their regenerative agriculture project in Portugal.

Bitcoin’s Impact on Culture and Lifestyle

  • 02:44 The Bitcoin community values low-tech lifestyles with high-tech elements like peer-to-peer digital money.
  • 03:32 Bitcoin challenges the need for complex systems like central banks, promoting simplicity and self-sovereignty.
  • 04:23 Similar to questioning central banks, Bitcoiners question the necessity of centralized agriculture systems.

Importance of Food Sovereignty

  • 05:19 Food sovereignty is a crucial aspect of self-sovereignty and lifestyle choices.
  • 06:00 Regenerative agriculture allows individuals to provide for themselves with minimal resources.

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06:40

Section Overview: In this section, the speakers discuss their Bitcoin ATM company and their recent purchase of land in southern Portugal. They talk about their plans for the future and their goal of regenerating the soil.

Bitcoin ATM Company and Land Purchase

  • The speakers are brothers who run a Bitcoin ATM company.
  • About a year ago, they bought 160 acres of land in southern Portugal.
  • The property on the land was not in good shape.
  • They are currently living in Lisbon temporarily while working on building a house on the land.

07:39

Section Overview: In this section, the speakers talk about their vision for the future of their land in Portugal. They discuss their experiment with agriculture and their goal to regenerate the soil.

Future Plans for the Land

  • The speakers admit that they have no experience with agriculture.
  • They have hired two full-time farm managers who studied agriculture in Portugal.
  • These farm managers are excited about what they’re doing and willing to work hands-on.
  • Their first year is focused on trial and error, trying different methods that traditional farmers may not believe will work.
  • Their main goal is to regenerate the depleted soil and make it more productive over time.
  • They also aim to be self-sufficient on the land.

09:16

Section Overview: In this section, the speakers discuss how locals perceive their project and interact with them. They mention that most of the population in rural areas is older but overall, people are friendly and supportive.

Locals’ Perception

  • The area where they bought land is very rural with small villages.
  • Most of the local population is older, around 60 or 70 years old.
  • The speakers know most of the people in a nearby village of around 50 residents who have been helpful.
  • They have daily interactions with farmers in the area and find them friendly and supportive.
  • Some locals may find their approach unconventional, but they are generally accepting.

11:20

Section Overview: In this section, the speakers explain why they chose Portugal for their project. They mention their involvement in the Bitcoin ATM industry and how it led them to discover Portugal.

Choosing Portugal

  • The speakers were born in the U.S. but grew up in Israel.
  • They initially didn’t know much about Portugal until their involvement in the Bitcoin ATM industry.
  • They created a Bitcoin ATM as a science project to demonstrate its potential impact at a conference.
  • Their experience with Bitcoin ATMs led them to discover Portugal and eventually buy land there.

12:34 Bitcoin ATM Design and Collaboration

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the process of designing a Bitcoin ATM and collaborating with an industrial designer named Claudio from Portugal.

Finding an Industrial Designer

  • Started searching the internet for industrial designers to design a Bitcoin ATM.
  • Found a Portuguese designer named Claudio from northern Portugal.
  • Liked his designs and his thoroughness in answering questions.
  • Decided to work with him immediately.

Unexpected Help for a Conference

  • Initially, only wanted Claudio’s help with the design.
  • Needed the ATM for an important Bitcoin conference in San Jose in 2013.
  • Despite facing challenges with other plans, Claudio managed to create a functional prototype made out of sheet metal within a week.
  • Impressed by his ability to get things done efficiently.

Falling in Love with Portugal

  • Traveled to Portugal to work on the manufacturing and production prototype of the ATM.
  • Spent two and a half months working with Claudio in Porto.
  • Developed an affinity for Portugal but didn’t move there until eight years later when they relocated to Lisbon.

14:33 Bank Grade Bitcoin ATMs

Section Overview: The speaker explains the concept of bank grade Bitcoin ATMs and their features such as capacity and speed.

Capacity of Bitcoin ATMs

  • Standard Bitcoin ATMs usually hold around 1,000 notes for both bill acceptor and dispenser.
  • Bill dispenser typically dispenses 20 notes at a time, while bill validator accepts one note at a time.
  • Designed two new models that can accept larger quantities of cash:
    • Smaller model can accept 50 notes at once.
    • Larger model can accept 200 notes at once within eight seconds.

Speed and Recyclability

  • The larger model has tremendous speed, allowing for quick cash deposits.
  • It can recycle the same notes deposited, allowing up to 11,000 notes to be withdrawn.
  • Designed for high-volume locations and larger transactions.

Advantages of Bitcoin ATMs

  • Bitcoin ATMs provide an alternative to traditional banking systems.
  • Users can buy or sell Bitcoin without involving their banks.
  • The speaker refers to their ATM as “bank grade” due to its capacity and speed, but acknowledges that it may be confusing terminology.

17:04 Potential Impact of Bitcoin ATMs in Economically Challenged Areas

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the potential impact of Bitcoin ATMs in economically challenged areas and the current market trends.

Limited Presence in Economically Challenged Areas

  • Currently, the biggest market for Bitcoin ATMs is North America.
  • Slowly gaining interest in South America and Africa as developing markets.
  • Not yet widely present in economically challenged areas where they could potentially help individuals protect their purchasing power from inflation.

Future Possibilities

  • The speaker envisions a future where Bitcoin ATMs could play a significant role in countries with inflating economies like Lebanon.
  • However, at present, there is limited presence in such areas.

Note: The transcript was provided in English.

18:40 Bitcoin ATMs and Freedom

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the availability of Bitcoin ATMs in different countries and the importance of having machines in places experiencing hyperinflation. They also mention the concept of free cities and how it relates to seeking freedom.

Bitcoin ATMs

  • There are Bitcoin ATM operators in various countries, including Spain, Israel, and some parts of Asia.
  • The speaker emphasizes the need for more Bitcoin ATMs in places experiencing hyperinflation.
  • These machines provide a solution for individuals who require a reliable system to handle their finances.

Free Cities and Seeking Freedom

  • The free cities crowd consists of people who are actively seeking freedom.
  • The speaker believes that one way to achieve this is through initiatives like what they are doing with Bitcoin ATMs.
  • While physical frontiers may no longer exist on land, creating self-sufficient communities can be seen as the next best thing.

19:05 Finding Land for Self-Sufficiency

Section Overview: The discussion shifts towards finding land for self-sufficiency, specifically in Portugal. The feasibility of purchasing land as an average person is explored.

Feasibility of Purchasing Land in Portugal

  • It is relatively easy for foreigners to buy land in Portugal as there are no laws restricting them from doing so.
  • Finding land can be done through real estate websites or with the assistance of local consultants.
  • While initially looking for a place closer to Lisbon, they eventually found a suitable farm that was slightly further away but still within a reasonable distance.

20:31 Process and Cost of Purchasing Land

Section Overview: This section delves into the process and cost involved in purchasing land in Portugal. Compromises may need to be made when searching for the perfect farm.

Process of Purchasing Land

  • The legal process of purchasing land in Portugal involves working with a lawyer and ensuring all property details are in order.
  • While negotiation on land prices is not common, it is still possible to negotiate to some extent.
  • Transaction taxes and notary fees are part of the legal process but can be relatively straightforward if there are no complications.

Cost of Purchasing Land

  • The average price for land in Portugal is around 7,000 to 10,000 Euros per hectare.
  • The specific price may vary depending on the location and other factors.
  • Compromises may need to be made when searching for land, as it is unlikely to find everything desired at a good price close to major cities.

22:47 Turning Land Ownership into Reality

Section Overview: This section focuses on the experience of acquiring land and the excitement that comes with it.

Acquiring Land and Ownership

  • After signing the necessary documents, they felt a sense of excitement about their new property.
  • They were located one hour away from Faro airport and two hours away from Lisbon airport, making the location convenient.
  • The process of acquiring land involved finding the right piece of property, agreeing on a price, and going through legal procedures.

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24:56

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the initial thoughts about a piece of land that was initially abandoned but later used for cattle grazing. However, the large herds of cattle caused damage to the soil and vegetation. The speaker also mentions subsidies from the EU for each head of cattle, which incentivizes having more cows.

  • At first, there was nothing on the land, and it seemed like a lot of work to develop it.
  • The land had been abandoned but was later used for feeding cattle.
  • Large herds of 200 cattle would eat everything to the ground, damaging the soil and preventing grasses from growing back.
  • The subsidies from the EU encourage having more cows, leading to overgrazing.

26:18

Section Overview: The speaker talks about fencing their perimeter due to trespassing issues caused by a cow herder with a herd of 200 cows. They faced challenges in finding good workmanship in their area and had to confront trespassers multiple times.

  • They had to fence a perimeter of approximately 3.3 kilometers.
  • A cow herder with 200 cows trespassed onto their farm and ate about 75% of their food within weeks.
  • Confrontations with the trespasser occurred, but law enforcement did not enforce property or trespassing laws effectively.
  • Building fences can be expensive, especially when finding reliable workers is challenging.

27:46

Section Overview: The speaker discusses following regenerative agriculture principles and mentions convincing a neighbor who is a beef farmer to sell beef for Bitcoin. This experiment has been successful so far, with increased demand for direct sales.

  • They follow regenerative agriculture principles on their farm.
  • The speaker convinced their neighbor, who is a beef farmer, to sell beef for Bitcoin.
  • The neighbor is now the only person in the UK listed on bitcoinbeef.org.
  • Direct sales to consumers have increased, with people requesting whole cows.
  • The speaker plans to sell directly and is open to accepting Bitcoin as payment.

29:02

Section Overview: The speaker talks about their learning journey in animal husbandry and their plans for the future. They currently have a small herd of 40 sheep and 10 goats but are still figuring out how to support a larger herd efficiently.

  • They consider their current herd as a “Proto herd” and are still learning about animal care and management.
  • They are exploring whether they need more land or can improve efficiency on their existing land to support a larger herd.
  • In Wales, where they live, there is abundant grass that supports livestock.
  • Starting with a smaller herd allows them to avoid potential disasters if they miscalculate the carrying capacity of the land.

30:16

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the guiding principles of regenerative agriculture, which include minimizing inputs and focusing on learning from animals. They emphasize trying out different ideas specific to their area rather than relying solely on general information from videos and articles.

  • The guiding principle is to minimize inputs in regenerative agriculture.
  • Learning from animals is an important aspect of their approach.
  • General information from videos and articles may not always be applicable to their specific location.
  • Trying out different ideas helps them understand what works best for their farm.

Note: Timestamps provided above correspond to approximate timings based on the transcript.

30:57

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the water supply on their farm and the challenges of growing grass in a dry environment.

Water Supply and Grass Growth Challenges

  • The farm has a pond that provides water for the herd throughout the year.
  • Despite the dry environment, there is always enough water in the pond for the animals.
  • Pipes have been installed throughout the farm to pump water into drinking containers for the animals.
  • Growing grass is challenging due to limited rainfall (350mm per year) and dry conditions.
  • Most of the rain falls in a few days during winter, leaving the rest of the year extremely dry.
  • The speaker mentions that supporting and feeding the herd all year round is difficult due to limited grass growth.
  • Hay supplementation is necessary, but efforts are being made to reduce reliance on hay over time.

31:42

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker elaborates on regenerative agriculture and highlights some challenges related to plant growth in their environment.

Regenerative Agriculture and Plant Challenges

  • Regenerative agriculture involves managing plants and animals together on a farm.
  • Animals are relatively easy to handle, but plants pose challenges in their dry environment.
  • Limited rainfall makes it difficult to grow sufficient grass throughout the year.
  • The speaker emphasizes that they need to support and feed their animals continuously, especially during lactation or when having babies.
  • Due to grass theft issues, hay supplementation was necessary in their first year on the farm. However, efforts are being made to minimize hay usage over time.

33:35

Section Overview: In this section, traditional farming practices in the area are discussed.

Traditional Farming Practices

  • Many farms in the area focus on growing hay or wheat through tilling land.
  • Some farms target niche markets or specialize in monoculture crops like olive groves or pine trees.
  • Monoculture farming is prevalent in the region, with a significant focus on hay and modern farming practices.

34:24

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker talks about challenges faced during their first year on the farm, including grass theft and food management.

Grass Theft and Food Management Challenges

  • Grass theft was a significant issue during their first year on the farm.
  • Hay supplementation was necessary to ensure sufficient food for the animals.
  • The speaker mentions that hay serves multiple purposes, acting as both feed and mulch for organic matter addition to the farm.
  • Interestingly, good growth is observed in areas where hay was placed directly on the ground.
  • Food management and understanding dryness and heat are crucial aspects of managing the farm effectively.

35:24

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses their current status as experimenters rather than full-time farmers.

Current Status as Experimenters

  • The speaker considers themselves experimenters at this point rather than full-fledged farmers.
  • They believe that once they become full-time farmers after moving to the farm permanently, they will feel comfortable calling themselves farmers.
  • An analogy is made with playing guitar; one does not become a guitarist instantly but gradually through practice and experience.

36:11

Section Overview: In this section, food management challenges related to dryness and rotational grazing are discussed.

Food Management Challenges

  • Dryness and heat pose challenges for food management on the farm.
  • Daily rotational grazing is practiced to keep food fresh for the animals and prevent them from staying in one area for too long.
  • Rotational grazing also helps move animals away from their own fertilizer, reducing fly infestation risks that can lead to diseases.

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36:50

Section Overview: This section discusses the challenges of moving electric fences in different environments and the solution they found.

Moving Electric Fences

  • In Wales, moving electric fences is easy as they can be inserted into the ground.
  • However, in southern Portugal, the ground is hard as a rock during summer, making it difficult to move electric fences.
  • Permanent fencing around the farm would be expensive and unattractive.
  • They experimented with drilling into the ground using a hammer drill designed for concrete.
  • The hammer drill proved effective in drilling through rocks within 10 to 20 seconds.
  • The fences can be easily moved by attaching them to a farmer’s body.
  • There are limited resources available on how to do daily rotational grazing in areas with hard soil.

37:35

Section Overview: This section discusses the importance of rotational grazing and the challenges faced due to lack of water during summer.

Regeneration and Grazing

  • Regeneration of grass occurs from October to May due to limited water availability during summer in Portugal.
  • Animals need to be moved regularly to prevent overgrazing and allow grass to grow back optimally.
  • Grass height is maintained at around 40% – 50% of its full height for optimal growth.
  • If grass growth is slow, supplementation with hay or moving animals to a different part of the farm may be necessary.

39:09

Section Overview: This section explores the benefits of rotational grazing for animal well-being and addresses questions about regeneration in hot climates.

Animal Well-being and Regeneration

  • Rotational grazing has significant benefits for animal mental well-being as they enjoy movement and being part of a herd that moves together.
  • In hot climates like Spain, there is limited regeneration during summer due to high temperatures and lack of water.
  • The focus is on moving animals to prevent overgrazing rather than relying on significant regeneration during summer.

40:47

Section Overview: This section discusses the living arrangements of the shepherds and their background.

Living Arrangements

  • The shepherds live in a small village adjacent to the farm, which is only two minutes away.
  • One shepherd comes from a farming family, while the other does not.
  • The farmer who lives far away used to spend around five and a half hours commuting before deciding to stay near the farm during work periods.

41:43

Section Overview: This section highlights the importance of movement for animals and shares personal experiences with rotational grazing in Mongolia.

Animal Movement

  • Animals enjoy moving as it contributes to their mental well-being.
  • In Mongolia, where the speaker has spent time, animals are constantly on the move, similar to rotational grazing practices.
  • The speaker emphasizes that animals look forward to moving to the next paddock every day.

Note: Timestamps may vary slightly due to differences in video versions or edits.

42:42

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the concept of nomadic farming and compares it to sedentary agriculture. They also talk about their own farm and how they decide where the animals should go next.

Nomadic Farming vs Sedentary Agriculture

  • Nomadic farming involves moving animals around and living in tents, closer to a natural state.
  • In contrast, sedentary agriculture is more stationary and involves corraling animals.
  • The speaker mentions spending time with nomadic families in Mongolia and Siberia who follow animal migrations.
  • They believe that mimicking the natural movement of animals is the best way to farm.

Decision-making on the Farm

  • The speaker explains that they plan out where the animals should go based on factors like grass availability.
  • They sometimes use strip grazing, where they move from paddock to paddock.
  • If there’s not enough food in a particular paddock, they may skip it for a while and come back later.
  • They typically visit the farm once a week, driving from Lisbon in the morning and returning in the afternoon.

44:55

Section Overview: The conversation shifts towards discussing living arrangements on the farm, including camping options and comparisons to nomadic lifestyles.

Living Arrangements on the Farm

  • The speaker mentions that they usually drive back and forth from Lisbon to the farm each day.
  • Camping down at the farm has been considered but hasn’t been done yet.
  • They discuss how nomadic families in Mongolia live under canvas (yurts) and find it convenient.
  • Setting up a yurt is relatively easy with a group of people.

Comparisons to Nomadic Lifestyles

  • The speaker acknowledges that living in a yurt can be comfortable, especially in dry environments like Portugal.
  • Yurts are affordable, with second-hand options available for around $3000.
  • They mention considering tents and yurts but haven’t fully committed to the idea yet.

47:26

Section Overview: The speaker shares a personal experience of taking care of the farm alone for a week and reflects on the challenges and uncertainties they faced.

Taking Care of the Farm Alone

  • The speaker mentions a week where they had to take care of the farm without other farmers present.
  • They were initially unsure about their abilities but managed to handle it.
  • They reflect on the importance of having multiple farmers on-site for support.
  • The experience made them consider camping at the farm to avoid long drives.

Note: This summary is based solely on the provided transcript and may not capture all details from the video.

48:19 Living in a Village with Derelict Houses

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the presence of derelict houses in their village and the challenges associated with them.

Derelict Houses and Land Ownership

  • There are two houses adjacent to the farm that are falling apart.
  • In Portugal, there is a rule that prohibits having windows on the side of a house if you do not own the land behind it.
  • The empty field behind these houses is owned by two old sisters who cannot agree on selling the land.
  • Buying this small strip of land would allow for windows with a nice view instead of facing an unattractive road.

Building Rights and Zoning

  • The speaker has discovered that they have building rights on their farm, allowing them to construct five to seven houses.
  • These building rights are due to zoning regulations, as a portion of their farmland is classified as urban.
  • However, obtaining approval from engineering authorities is still required before construction can begin.

Ideal House Location

  • Building a house within the farm would provide better views but requires proving that they are farmers, which involves bureaucratic work and time.
  • If approved, living on a hill within the farm would offer beautiful surroundings and views.

51:00 Interest in Rammed Earth Construction

Section Overview: The speaker expresses interest in rammed earth construction as an alternative to modern buildings.

Rammed Earth Construction

  • Rammed earth involves compacting soil mixed with water into molds to create walls.
  • It offers advantages such as excellent insulation properties and environmental sustainability.
  • Using local soil eliminates the need for importing high-tech materials from distant locations.

53:27 Village Amenities and Additional Farm Purchase

Section Overview: The speaker discusses amenities in the village and their decision to purchase another farm for better housing options.

Village Amenities

  • The village has around 10 to 15 houses, some of which are in poor condition.
  • There are no cafes within walking distance, but there are two cafes a short drive away.

Additional Farm Purchase

  • To improve their housing options, the speaker bought another smaller farm.
  • This new farm is located on the border of the Alentejo and Algarve regions of Portugal.

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54:33(t=3273s) Buying and Regenerating Derelict Houses

Section Overview: The speaker discusses their plan to buy derelict houses and regenerate them. They explain that they had to legalize one of the houses before tearing them down and building a larger house on the property.

Buying Derelict Houses

  • The speaker’s plan is to buy derelict houses.
  • They aim to regenerate these houses by tearing them down and building larger ones in their place.
  • Legalizing one of the houses took some time but now they have two legalized houses on the property.

55:09(t=3309s) Long-Term Plan: Farm, Vineyard, and Herd Growth

Section Overview: The speaker shares their long-term plan, which involves moving to a farm, establishing a small vineyard, growing fruit trees, and observing herd growth. They also mention another project involving a medical clinic in Lisbon.

Long-Term Plan

  • The speaker’s long-term plan is to move to a farm.
  • They intend to have a small vineyard for personal use and grow fruit trees.
  • Observing herd growth is also part of their plan.
  • They are interested in improving the soil over time and promoting grasses with deeper roots for better growth.
  • In addition, they mention potentially expanding into other areas such as cows, geese, and honey production.
  • Another project they are involved in is a medical clinic in Lisbon focused on root cause medicine.

55:55(t=3355s) Opening a Medical Clinic for Root Cause Medicine

Section Overview: The speaker talks about opening a medical clinic that focuses on root cause medicine. They discuss the importance of understanding why people are unhealthy despite advancements in technology.

Root Cause Medicine

  • The speaker opened a medical clinic that specializes in root cause medicine.
  • They aim to understand why people are ill in the first place and focus on maintaining health.
  • Despite technological advancements, they believe it is important to address the underlying causes of illness.
  • They found a young doctor who shares their vision and specializes in oncology.

56:58(t=3418s) Finding Success through Instagram Promotion

Section Overview: The speaker explains how they promote their medical clinic through Instagram. They mention collaborating with an influencer who has a significant following.

Promoting the Clinic

  • The speaker promotes their medical clinic through Instagram.
  • They create videos on Instagram to raise awareness about their clinic and its approach to healthcare.
  • They collaborate with an influencer from Portugal who has over 100,000 followers.
  • This collaboration helps them reach a wider audience and gain more visibility for their clinic.

58:58(t=3538s) Bitcoin and Long-Term Thinking

Section Overview: The speaker discusses Bitcoin and its long-term potential. They emphasize the importance of thinking long term and not expecting immediate results.

Bitcoin’s Long-Term Potential

  • The speaker mentions that Bitcoin requires patience as it takes longer than expected for adoption.
  • Despite initial expectations, Bitcoin has remained strong after 10 years.
  • They highlight the need for perseverance and long-term thinking in order to succeed with Bitcoin.

59:14(t=3554s) Employee Bonuses in Bitcoin

Section Overview: The speaker talks about offering employee bonuses in Bitcoin as part of their low time preference strategy. They explain how they educate employees about Bitcoin and provide hardware wallets.

Employee Bonuses in Bitcoin

  • The speaker offers employee bonuses in Bitcoin as part of their low time preference strategy.
  • Employees receive bonuses if they accept payment in Bitcoin for their salaries.
  • The company provides education about Bitcoin and even buys hardware wallets for interested employees.

59:54(t=3594s) Green-Pilling Others on the Farm

Section Overview: The speaker discusses their approach to introducing others to Bitcoin and their farm. They prioritize educating people about the long-term benefits and goals of their projects.

Educating Others

  • The speaker focuses on educating others about Bitcoin and their farm.
  • They aim to introduce people to the long-term benefits and goals of their projects.
  • Rather than forcing acceptance, they prefer to provide information and let people make their own decisions.

Note: The transcript provided does not contain any content in a language other than English.

01:00:42 The Importance of Libertarian Ideas

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses how libertarian ideas have proven to be accurate over time. They highlight examples such as inflation and the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the need to be cautious about government policies. The speaker also mentions the importance of offering alternative solutions to those provided by the state or private companies benefiting from government support.

Libertarian Ideas and Realities

  • Libertarians have been discussing various issues for decades, and many of their predictions have come true.
  • Examples include inflation and the impact of COVID-19.
  • These experiences reinforce the need to be skeptical of government policies.
  • Offering alternative solutions is crucial in challenging existing systems.

01:01:03 Standing Up for Controversial Ideas

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker emphasizes the importance of standing up for controversial ideas and providing alternatives to mainstream narratives. They express enthusiasm for engaging with people on topics related to a genuine free market.

Challenging Mainstream Narratives

  • It is essential to stand up for controversial ideas and challenge mainstream narratives.
  • Providing alternatives to what is offered by both the state and private companies is crucial.
  • Engaging in conversations about genuine free markets can be rewarding.

01:01:25 Bitcoiners’ Insights on Food Security

Section Overview: Here, the speaker discusses how bitcoiners often mention topics that later gain more attention, such as food security. They highlight how experiences during COVID-19, including empty shelves in stores, led people to consider prepping or growing their own food.

Bitcoiners’ Predictions on Food Security

  • Bitcoiners have previously mentioned food security as an important issue.
  • Experiences during COVID-19 made people realize its significance.
  • Empty store shelves prompted individuals to become preppers or start growing their own food.

01:01:49 COVID-19 Lockdown and Food Prepping

Section Overview: The speaker reflects on how the COVID-19 lockdown served as a wake-up call for many regarding the importance of self-sufficiency. They mention that experiencing empty store shelves led people to consider becoming preppers or growing their own food.

Wake-Up Call During COVID-19

  • The COVID-19 lockdown made people realize the fragility of supply chains.
  • Empty store shelves were a common experience during this time.
  • This situation motivated individuals to become preppers or start growing their own food.

01:02:13 Bitcoin’s Surprising Connection to Self-Sufficiency

Section Overview: The speaker expresses surprise at how Bitcoin, a technological innovation, has attracted a community of freedom-loving individuals interested in creating a parallel society. They discuss the challenges of uprooting one’s family but highlight that living in a farming area can facilitate self-sufficiency efforts.

Bitcoin and Self-Sufficiency

  • Bitcoin has unexpectedly attracted a community focused on freedom and self-sufficiency.
  • Creating a parallel society is an ongoing process for these individuals.
  • Uprooting one’s family can be challenging but living in a farming area offers opportunities for self-sufficiency.

01:02:36 Capital and Self-Sufficiency

Section Overview: Here, the speaker mentions that many bitcoiners have capital at their disposal, which can aid them in pursuing self-sufficient lifestyles. They also discuss the potential for this aspect of the movement to gain traction over time.

Capital and Self-Sufficiency

  • Bitcoiners often have access to capital due to their involvement with cryptocurrencies.
  • This financial advantage supports their pursuit of self-sufficiency.
  • The speaker suggests that this aspect of the movement may gain more prominence in the future.

01:02:57 Challenges and Opportunities in Pursuing Self-Sufficiency

Section Overview: The speaker reflects on the challenges of uprooting one’s family to pursue self-sufficiency. They mention living in a farming area as an advantage and discuss starting small with limited land for farming or raising animals.

Challenges and Opportunities

  • Uprooting one’s family is a significant challenge when pursuing self-sufficiency.
  • Living in a farming area can provide opportunities for agricultural endeavors.
  • Starting small with limited land is possible, such as having a garden or raising a few sheep.

01:03:18 Small-Scale Farming and Animal Husbandry

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the potential for small-scale farming and animal husbandry. They mention that even with limited land, it is possible to grow vegetables and raise animals like sheep. However, they note that regulations imposed by the state can hinder these activities.

Small-Scale Farming and Animal Husbandry

  • Limited land does not prevent small-scale farming or animal husbandry.
  • Growing vegetables can be incorporated into the mix.
  • Regulations imposed by the state can pose challenges to farmers, particularly regarding animal welfare.

01:03:34 Interference from State Regulations

Section Overview: The speaker highlights how state interference often hampers animal farming in the UK. They mention excessive tagging requirements, transportation limitations, and closures of local abattoirs due to regulations.

State Interference in Animal Farming

  • State regulations impose excessive tagging requirements on animals.
  • Transportation limitations result from these regulations.
  • Local abattoirs have closed down due to regulatory burdens.

01:04:19 Harmful Effects of State Interference

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the harmful effects of state interference in animal farming. They mention that despite the state’s intention to protect animals, it often ends up causing more harm. They also highlight the negative impact on slaughterhouses and longer transportation distances for animals.

Harmful Effects of State Interference

  • State interference aims to protect animals but often causes harm.
  • Excessive regulations can lead to the closure of local abattoirs.
  • Longer transportation distances negatively impact animal welfare.

01:04:50 Centralization and Taxes in Animal Farming

Section Overview: The speaker discusses how state regulations contribute to centralization in animal farming. They mention the requirement for multiple tags on sheep and express frustration with the lack of agreement among different associations regarding tagging standards.

Centralization and Taxes

  • State regulations contribute to centralization in animal farming.
  • Multiple tags are required for sheep, leading to frustration among farmers.
  • Lack of agreement among associations regarding tagging standards adds complexity.

01:05:10 Challenges in Animal Transportation and Slaughterhouses

Section Overview: The speaker highlights challenges related to animal transportation and slaughterhouses caused by state regulations. They mention long-distance travel for animals, resulting in increased suffering during their last days. They also discuss their experiences with traditional animal husbandry practices in Mongolia.

Challenges in Animal Transportation and Slaughterhouses

  • State regulations require long-distance transportation for animals before slaughter.
  • This leads to increased suffering during their last days.
  • Traditional animal husbandry practices prioritize respectful and quick slaughtering.

01:05:29 ESG Rhetoric and Changing Attitudes Towards Meat Consumption

Section Overview: The speaker discusses changing attitudes towards meat consumption influenced by ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) rhetoric. They mention the growing popularity of alternative protein sources and predict potential price increases for meat due to market forces and taxes.

Changing Attitudes Towards Meat Consumption

  • ESG rhetoric is influencing attitudes towards meat consumption.
  • Alternative protein sources are gaining popularity.
  • Market forces and taxes may contribute to potential price increases for meat.

01:06:14 Future Challenges in Meat Consumption

Section Overview: The speaker discusses future challenges related to meat consumption, including potential price increases driven by market forces and taxes. They express concerns about the narrative that promotes insect-based diets as a solution.

Future Challenges in Meat Consumption

  • Market forces and taxes may lead to higher meat prices.
  • There is a narrative promoting insect-based diets as an alternative.
  • The speaker expresses skepticism about the viability of such diets.

01:06:53 The Negative Impact of Government Policies

Section Overview: The speaker discusses how government policies often fail to achieve their intended goals and can have negative consequences. They provide an example of subsidies for olive trees in Portugal, where large corporations exploit the system by cutting down trees prematurely and depleting the soil.

Government Subsidies and Olive Trees

  • Government policies often fail to produce desired outcomes.
  • In Portugal, subsidies for olive trees have led to negative consequences.
  • Large Spanish corporations buy land in Portugal and engage in high-tech agriculture.
  • Instead of maintaining olive trees for 50-100 years, they cut them down after only 10 years.
  • The soil becomes depleted, resulting in sterile land with no nutrients.
  • Synthetic fertilizers are used, and the products are marketed as natural or organic.

01:08:19 Optimism and Community Engagement

Section Overview: The speaker expresses their optimism as an entrepreneur and emphasizes the importance of community engagement. They believe that change can happen through individuals standing up against harmful policies.

Entrepreneurial Optimism

  • Entrepreneurs need to be irrationally optimistic.
  • Despite challenges, there are ways to navigate government rules and regulations.
  • Operating within the existing framework allows for making a significant impact.

Community Engagement

  • Getting to know the local community is crucial for understanding their perspectives on policies.
  • It requires building relationships with neighbors over time.

01:09:20 Protecting Cultural Heritage and Demographics

Section Overview: The speaker highlights the importance of preserving cultural heritage and addressing demographic challenges. They mention how removing meat production would destroy the culture in certain regions of Portugal. Additionally, they express concerns about an aging population and the need for younger people to engage in farming practices.

Preserving Cultural Heritage

  • Removing meat production would have a detrimental impact on the cultural heritage of certain regions in Portugal.
  • The speaker mentions the significance of black pig, cheeses, and sheep in their local area.

Demographic Challenges

  • Portugal is facing demographic challenges with an aging population.
  • The low birth rate and youth migration to cities pose concerns for the future.
  • Engaging younger generations in farming practices is essential for sustaining rural areas.

01:11:29 Opportunities for Revitalization

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the potential for revitalization in Portugal’s rural areas. They believe that foreigners contributing to these regions can bring life back into communities and positively impact the local economy.

Revitalizing Rural Areas

  • Portuguese people are generally welcoming towards foreigners who contribute to their communities.
  • The current trend sees youth migrating to cities, leaving rural areas depleted.

Opportunities for Change

  • While there are currently few individuals engaged in revitalization efforts, it presents a great opportunity.
  • Portugal offers affordable real estate options and a variety of opportunities due to limited competition.
  • The region has kind people, rich culture, excellent food, and wine.

Note: This summary provides an overview of the main points discussed in the transcript. It is important to refer back to the original transcript for complete context and understanding.

01:13:12 Residency in Portugal

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the ease of obtaining residency in Portugal without the need for a significant investment.

Obtaining Residency

  • It is not necessary to obtain a golden visa or make substantial investments to get residency in Portugal.
  • Having around 5,000-8,000 Euros in a bank account is sufficient.
  • There is no requirement to move the funds; it is only necessary to demonstrate self-sufficiency.
  • Residency requires actually living in Portugal, unlike the golden visa program.

Benefits and Process

  • Upon obtaining residency, individuals receive an ID card and a residency card.
  • The initial residency card is valid for two years, which can be extended for three more years online.
  • After that, permanent residency can be obtained, followed by citizenship approximately one year later.

Ease of Process

  • Compared to other countries like Bulgaria and Switzerland, obtaining residency in Portugal is relatively straightforward and easy.
  • Portugal welcomes people who can sustain themselves financially.
  • The cost of living in Portugal is low compared to other Western European countries.

01:14:27 Cost of Living in Portugal

Section Overview: The speaker highlights the affordability of living in Portugal compared to other Western European countries.

Low Cost of Living

  • The cost of living in Portugal is significantly lower than that of other Western European countries.
  • For example, even the price of a coffee is much cheaper, with prices as low as 60 Euro cents compared to almost four pounds elsewhere.

01:15:06 Personal Circumstances and Traveling

Section Overview: The speaker shares personal experiences related to travel and their admiration for those who choose unconventional lifestyles.

Personal Circumstances

  • The speaker acknowledges having responsibilities that prevent them from pursuing a similar lifestyle.
  • They express admiration for individuals who can live and work remotely, like the interviewee.

Traveling Experience

  • During the lockdowns, the speaker traveled to Spain and spent two months near Cadiz.
  • They lived on a 3,000-acre farm during their time there.

01:16:14 Entrepreneurship and Challenges

Section Overview: The speaker discusses entrepreneurship, luck, and challenges in various endeavors.

Entrepreneurship and Luck

  • The speaker mentions that luck plays a significant role in entrepreneurship.
  • They believe that challenges are inevitable but can be overcome with determination and luck.

Contact Information

  • The interviewee provides their Twitter handle (@ZHarvest) as a means of contact.
  • Websites for other projects mentioned are lomasu.is (La Masu) and peru.pt (the clinic).

Note: The transcript is already in English.