Tatiana Bugrova: Buying Land in Montelibero, Libertarianism & Montenegro

by | Jan 29, 2024 | Podcast

“If you have an idea, bring it up. Let’s put it on the table. Let’s discuss it. And yeah, we can potentially make it happen.

Maybe it works because we are still a relatively small community. Probably as we grow, it’s going to change a little bit. But for now, it works quite well. Everybody’s quite welcoming to different ideas. So whatever you’re good at, you will find support.”

20231014 LIOL23 Tatiana Butanka

On today’s podcast, I have another interview for you from Montenegro.

Tatiana Bugrova is an active member of the Montelibero community who has bought a plot of land at ‘MTL City’, their community site.

I caught up with her at the MTL clubhouse in Bar, Montenegro and we discussed her motivations for moving to Montenegro along with her hopes and expectations for the project.  

If living in a libertarian community in Montenegro strikes a chord with you then I will point you to two other episodes from our Montelibero series. 

Firstly, Episode 029 with Jose Birkin is a two-hour deep dive into the community as a whole including an overview of their blockchain token system used for land ownership and community decision making.

Secondly, there is Episode 042 with Kosta & Albina, a digitally nomadic couple who have bought one of the newly built apartments in Montelibero. In a similar vein to this conversation with Tatiana, we discuss living nomadically and the draw to settle in a community of like-minded people.

Enjoy the conversation.

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Introduction

The host introduces the podcast and welcomes the listeners to episode 62. He mentions that he is currently in the process of moving both his home and office, resulting in some disarray.

Moving Home and Office

  • The host mentions that he is currently in the process of moving both his home and office.
  • He resigns himself to the fact that they will likely be surrounded by boxes for several more weeks.

00:46 Interview with Tatiana Bugrova

The host introduces Tatiana Bugrova as an active member of the Montelibero Community who has bought a plot of land at MTL City, a libertarian community site in Montenegro. She discusses her motivations for moving to Montenegro and her hopes for the project.

Motivations for Moving to Montenegro

  • Tatiana Bugrova is an active member of the Montelibero Community.
  • She has bought a plot of land at MTL City, a libertarian community site in Montenegro.
  • The host caught up with her at the MTL Clubhouse in Bar, Montenegro.
  • They discuss her motivations for moving to Montenegro and her expectations for the project.

Related Episodes on Living in a Libertarian Community

  • In episode 29, there was an interview with Jose Birkin, providing a deep dive into the community as a whole, including their blockchain token system for land ownership and decision making.
  • Episode 42 features Kosta and Albina, long-term digital nomads who bought one of the newly built apartments in MTL City. They discuss living nomadically and settling in a community of like-minded people.

02:50 Discussion on Tokens and MTLs

The conversation shifts to discussing tokens and the use of MTLs in the community. Tatiana expresses her skepticism towards tokens but acknowledges the need for a stable coin like the Euro-based MTL fund. She highlights the importance of core values and projects within the community.

Skepticism Towards Tokens

  • Tatiana is skeptical about tokens and tokenization.
  • She associates tokens with people making money and then pulling out, causing losses.
  • The host mentions that they previously discussed the cryptocurrency aspect, so they don’t need to delve into it again.

Use of MTLS in Everyday Life

  • Tatiana holds some MTLs because they are used in everyday life within the community.
  • Businesses are now accepting MTLs as payment, such as buying fish or organizing festivals.
  • She emphasizes that holding a large amount of MTLS is not necessary to be part of the community; core values and involvement in projects matter more.

05:17 Importance of Core Values and Land Ownership

Tatiana discusses her perspective on being a libertarian anarchist and her desire to minimize the use of fiat money. She mentions acquiring a plot of land at MTL City at an affordable price and plans to register it under her name when she’s ready.

Minimizing Use of Fiat Money

  • As a libertarian anarchist, Tatiana aims to use fiat money as little as possible.
  • She sees using MTLS as an alternative currency aligned with her beliefs.

Land Ownership at MTL City

  • Tatiana managed to acquire a plot of land at MTL City at an affordable price.
  • Currently, it remains on the fund’s land until she is ready to register it under her name or her company’s name.

06:17 Introduction and Background of Tatiana Bugrova

Tatiana introduces herself, sharing her name, background, and journey from Moscow, Russia to Montenegro. She studied history at a top university in Moscow and pursued a career in sales and marketing in the UK.

Introduction of Tatiana Bugrova

  • Tatiana Bugrova is originally from Moscow, Russia.
  • She studied history at a top university in Moscow.
  • After graduating, she moved to the UK and worked in sales and marketing.

07:07 Transition from the UK to Montenegro

The host asks Tatiana about her transition from living near London to Montenegro.

Transitioning to Montenegro

  • Tatiana recently moved from an area near London called Reading.
  • She previously lived just outside of Beaconsfield, which she describes as a lovely place.
  • The host shares his experience staying in Reading for one night and mentions it wasn’t the most glamorous part of the UK.

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08:32 Living in the Countryside and Looking for Land

The speaker grew up in Russia and has always enjoyed living in the countryside. They have a desire to own land and contribute to gardening work. Staying in the UK would require finding affordable land outside of London or considering moving abroad. Montenegro is one of the countries they are interested in due to its proximity to Europe, presence of a Russian-speaking community, and opportunities for self-sufficiency through permaculture.

Reasons for Staying in the UK or Moving Abroad

  • The speaker grew up in Russia and prefers living in the countryside.
  • They enjoy owning land and contributing to gardening work.
  • Staying in the UK would require finding affordable land outside of London or considering moving abroad.

Interest in Montenegro

  • The speaker started looking into Montenegro as a potential place to live due to its proximity to Europe.
  • Montenegro offers opportunities for self-sufficiency through permaculture.
  • The country has a mix of nationalities, including Russians, making it easier for them to move there.
  • The speaker visited Montenegro before and was impressed by its natural beauty, affordability compared to the UK, and abundance of wilderness.

09:44 Unique Aspects of Montenegro

Montenegro may not be well-known or popular among everyone, but it offers unique aspects that make it an attractive place to live. It has a diverse mix of nationalities residing there, which makes migration easier. Additionally, 85% of the country is covered with mountains and forests, providing untouched nature that aligns with the speaker’s interest in permaculture.

National Identity and Migration Ease

  • Montenegro is considered an easy country to migrate to due to its diverse population.
  • There are various nationalities living in Montenegro, including Albanians, Bosnians, Croatians, Serbians, and Russians.
  • The country established itself as a separate entity in 2006 and has since attracted many Russians who have bought land and properties there.

Natural Beauty and Wilderness

  • Montenegro is known for its natural beauty, with 85% of the country covered in mountains and forests.
  • Agriculture is not heavily practiced in Montenegro, which contributes to the preservation of untouched nature.
  • Olive trees are abundant in the country, especially on the plot of lands the speaker is interested in.

12:04 Climate and Skiing Opportunities

Montenegro’s climate offers a unique blend of Mediterranean characteristics with slightly more humidity due to its mountainous areas. The country has four different climate zones within its small territory. Additionally, Montenegro provides skiing opportunities during the winter season from December to April.

Climate Zones

  • Montenegro has a Mediterranean climate with slightly more humidity due to its mountainous areas.
  • The country has four different climate zones within its small territory.

Skiing Season and Resorts

  • The ski season in Montenegro typically runs from December to April but can vary slightly.
  • Kolašin is a popular ski resort located half an hour away from Podgorica airport. It offers 45 km slopes and reaches an altitude of 2,100 meters.
  • Lift passes for skiing are priced at around 10 or 15 EUR per day.

14:11 Discovering Montenegro and Buying Land

The speaker discovered Montenegro in 2015 during their travels. Since then, they have been exploring the real estate market and eventually came across a community called Montelibero. They connected with individuals from this community through online platforms like Telegram. A few months ago, the speaker purchased land in MTL City.

Discovering Montenegro and Montelibero

  • The speaker first discovered Montenegro during their travels in 2015.
  • They became familiar with the country and started exploring the real estate market.
  • Through online platforms like Telegram, they connected with individuals from a community called Montelibero.

Purchasing Land in MTL City

  • The speaker bought land in MTL City, which was on the secondhand market.
  • The land was purchased for 5,000 EUR in cryptocurrency (MTL).

16:34 Buying Land in Montelibero

The speaker discusses the process of buying land in Montelibero and mentions using the euro stable coin for transactions. They also mention the possibility of using other tokens and discuss a construction company that uses a different token.

Buying Land

  • To buy land in Montelibero, one must use the euro stable coin.
  • There may be other tokens available for transactions, as some construction companies use different tokens.

16:58 Description of the Plot

The speaker describes their plot of land in Montelibero and its location relative to nearby buildings.

Location Description

  • The plot is located near two buildings, one large with apartments and another smaller building intended for commercial use.
  • The speaker’s plot is slightly above the warehouse on the left side when facing uphill.
  • Currently, there are trees and a pile of chopped wood on the plot.

18:04 Plans for the Land

The speaker shares their plans for their plot of land in Montelibero.

Future Plans

  • The speaker intends to build a small house on their plot.
  • They appreciate being part of the community and love the location.
  • There is a co-working space nearby, which they find convenient.
  • They plan to register a company in Montelibero and potentially accept EUR MTLs (tokens) for their shoe business.

19:35 Shoe Making Business

The speaker discusses their shoe making business and potential plans to run it from Montelibero.

Shoe Making Business

  • The speaker makes barefoot shoes using crochet techniques.
  • They anticipate high demand for their shoes, which may turn their hobby into a business.
  • They plan to register a company in Montelibero and consider accepting EUR MTLs for their shoes.

20:25 Cost of Living and Reasons for Moving

The speaker discusses the cost of living in Montelibero compared to the UK and their reasons for moving.

Cost of Living

  • The cost of living is cheaper in Montelibero compared to the UK.
  • The speaker’s husband provides financial support, making it more feasible to live in Montelibero.

Reasons for Moving

  • The high cost of living and the need for dual incomes in the UK prompted the speaker to seek a more affordable and comfortable lifestyle.
  • They also value self-sufficiency and aim to rely less on external systems by growing their own food.

21:41 Building Plans and Community Style

The speaker discusses their building plans, community style, and regulations regarding construction in Montelibero.

Building Plans

  • Construction is not allowed during the tourist season (May to September or October).
  • The speaker plans to start building around October.
  • They will follow the existing style of houses already built within the community.

Community Style

  • There is a close-knit community with its own Telegram chat.
  • Existing houses serve as examples for future construction projects.
  • Buildings are limited to two floors, with a maximum of three floors allowed by law with special permission.

23:21 Libertarianism and Finding Like-minded People

The speaker discusses libertarianism, finding like-minded people, and their experiences in London.

Libertarianism

  • The speaker identifies as a libertarian but mentions that it is not common in the UK.
  • They mention attending marches against restrictions imposed during the pandemic.

Finding Like-minded People

  • The speaker mentions having friends with various interests, such as Ayauasca ceremonies and meditation.
  • They express the desire to be part of a community that shares their values.

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24:36 Desire for Freedom and Moving to Montenegro

In this section, the speaker discusses their desire for freedom and their decision to move to Montenegro. They reflect on their upbringing in Russia during a time of newfound freedom after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They also express concerns about feeling restricted in the UK and losing their sense of freedom.

Growing Up in a Time of Freedom

  • The speaker grew up in Russia during a period of newfound freedom after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
  • During their childhood, they experienced a lot of freedom, both at home and at school.
  • This upbringing shaped them into a free-spirited individual.

Feeling Restricted in the UK

  • The speaker expresses feelings of being restricted when they moved to the UK.
  • They mention that they felt like they were constantly being tracked and had to follow rules more strictly than in Russia.
  • This made them feel like they were losing their sense of freedom.

Seeking Freedom in Montenegro

  • The speaker shares that their main goal is to feel free again, similar to how they felt growing up.
  • They believe that Montenegro offers more freedom due to its government’s perceived weakness and people’s mindset towards personal responsibility.
  • They emphasize the importance of taking control over one’s life and pursuing personal freedoms.

Support from Spouse

  • The speaker’s spouse supports their desire for freedom and moving to Montenegro.
  • While he had a comfortable life in the UK, he understands and respects the speaker’s aspirations.
  • Although both are on board with seeking more liberty, it is primarily driven by the speaker.

28:14 Motivation for Change

In this section, the speaker explains what motivated them to seek change. They discuss various factors such as global events, increasing control over money, environmental concerns, and media influence.

Acceleration of Change

  • The speaker believes that various events in recent years have accelerated the need for change.
  • They mention factors like the rise of central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) and increasing control over money transactions.
  • Environmental goals, such as achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, also contribute to their motivation for change.

Anticipating Future Restrictions

  • The speaker expresses concerns about potential future restrictions on travel and personal freedoms.
  • They do not want to wait until the last moment to adapt and take action.
  • This anticipation drives them to start growing their own food and building a community that aligns with their beliefs.

Importance of Russian Community

  • While an international English-speaking community would also be acceptable, the speaker appreciates being part of a Russian community in Montenegro.
  • They express love for Russians and believe that Montenegro offers potential for growth and exploration.
  • People in Montenegro are supportive, helpful, and hold positive views towards Russians.

Media Influence and Misconceptions

  • The speaker mentions encountering hate or negative attitudes towards Russians due to media influence.
  • They highlight how media can manipulate people’s minds and create misconceptions about individuals from certain countries.
  • The speaker emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between governments and people when forming opinions.

31:09 Conclusion

In this section, the speaker concludes by reflecting on their perspective regarding Russia, Western involvement, and their determination to pursue freedom in Montenegro.

Bigger Agenda at Play

  • The speaker believes that both Putin (Russian President) and Zelensky (Ukrainian President) contribute to problems but sees a bigger agenda involving Western involvement as well.
  • They acknowledge that getting rid of one president will not solve all issues.

Pursuing Freedom in Montenegro

  • The speaker reiterates their desire to reclaim personal freedom by taking control over their life.
  • They emphasize the importance of starting to grow their own food and building a community that aligns with their beliefs.
  • Montenegro is seen as a place with potential for exploration and where people are supportive.

Media Manipulation

  • The speaker reflects on how media can manipulate people’s perceptions, leading to misconceptions and biases.
  • They share personal experiences of encountering negative attitudes due to media influence.
  • The speaker emphasizes the need for critical thinking and distinguishing between governments and individuals.

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32:20 The Polarizing Effect of Internet and Social Media

The speaker discusses how issues in today’s world tend to polarize people, with no gray area in between. They speculate that social media and the bubbles it creates may contribute to this phenomenon. However, they note that within the libertarian community, people tend to be more pragmatic and open-minded.

The Internet’s Impact on Polarization

  • The internet captures people’s imagination and polarizes them.
  • There is no longer a gray area; individuals are either on one side or the other.
  • Social media might play a role in reinforcing these divisions by creating echo chambers.

Pragmatism within the Libertarian Community

  • Within the libertarian community, there is a more pragmatic approach to issues.
  • The speaker finds that libertarians are willing to consider different perspectives and see things as gray areas.

33:03 Perception of Russians in Montenegro

The conversation shifts towards discussing perceptions of Russians in Montenegro. The speaker mentions that some people love Russians while others may have negative views due to historical conflicts. They also touch upon the presence of Russian expats in the country.

Mixed Perceptions of Russians

  • In Montenegro, there are mixed perceptions of Russians.
  • Some people love Russians, while others may hold negative views due to historical conflicts.
  • Not everyone can differentiate between governments and individuals when forming opinions about Russians.

Presence of Russian Expats

  • There are some Russian expats currently living in Montenegro, particularly men who fled Russia to avoid conscription.
  • While there are Russian speakers in Montenegro, the community aims to be international and welcomes diversity.

35:37 International Community in Montenegro

This section focuses on the international community in Montenegro and the interest shown by expats. The speaker mentions interactions with French and English speakers, as well as their efforts to connect with more people.

Interest from Expats

  • There is growing interest from expats in Montenegro.
  • Recent lunch events have attracted French and English speakers who are curious about the community.
  • The speaker will be meeting with them to provide assistance and information.

Language Barrier

  • While there are many Russian speakers in Montenegro, not many people speak good English.
  • The community aims to be international and open to people from different backgrounds.
  • Efforts are being made to bridge the language gap and make information accessible to a wider audience.

37:00 Portugal as an Alternative Destination

The conversation turns towards Portugal as an alternative destination for those seeking a self-sufficient lifestyle. The speaker discusses the benefits of living off-grid in Portugal, including tax breaks for digital nomads and affordable land prices.

Portugal’s Appeal

  • Portugal is considered a good place for starting a self-sufficient lifestyle.
  • It offers affordable land prices and attracts English-speaking communities.
  • Tax breaks for digital nomads and favorable cryptocurrency regulations make it appealing.

Comparison with Montenegro

  • Montenegro also has its appeal but may not be suitable for everyone due to residency requirements and language barriers.
  • Moving to other European Union countries like Portugal may be easier for some individuals.

38:50 Cost of Living in Portugal

This section explores the cost of living in Portugal compared to other European countries. The speaker highlights the affordability of goods such as coffee in Portugal while acknowledging differences in serving sizes.

Affordability in Portugal

  • Portugal is known for its affordability, offering lower costs compared to other European countries.
  • A cup of coffee in Portugal is relatively inexpensive, but serving sizes may differ from what the speaker is accustomed to.

Differences in Coffee Culture

  • The speaker notes that coffee in Montenegro may not taste like traditional coffee and prefers not to drink it.
  • Comparing prices based on serving sizes can be misleading, as different countries have varying cultural norms for coffee consumption.

39:24 Montelibero Community and Events

This section focuses on the Montelibero community and their organized events. The speaker mentions lunch events where people gather to connect and share information.

Montelibero Community

  • The Montelibero community organizes events such as lunch gatherings.
  • These events provide an opportunity for people to meet, exchange ideas, and learn about various projects.

Connecting with Others

  • French and English speakers have shown interest in the community and are seeking guidance on connecting with others.
  • The community aims to be international and welcomes individuals from diverse backgrounds.
  • Efforts are being made to help more people discover the community and its projects.

40:14 Club and Support for Russian-speaking Community

In this section, the speaker discusses the club and its role in supporting the Russian-speaking community. The club provides a venue for breakfast and lunch where people can meet, learn about Tokenomics, or socialize with others who have moved from Russia or other Russian-speaking countries.

Club as a Support System

  • The club serves as a support system for individuals who need to reestablish their lives after moving from Russia or other Russian-speaking countries.
  • It offers an opportunity to make new friends and connect with people locally.
  • The club also assists individuals with business ideas or bringing their own businesses from their home countries.
  • Offline meetings for business incubator are being planned.

41:23 Openness and Activities at the Club

This section focuses on the openness of the club, its activities, and how it operates. The speaker explains that the door is always open, there are hosts present, and various activities such as English speaking clubs, yoga classes, film screenings, and karaoke nights take place.

Openness of the Club

  • The door is always open for members to come in.
  • There are hosts present at all times to welcome visitors.
  • Members can bring guests who are introduced by existing members.

Activities at the Club

  • Various activities take place at the club including English speaking clubs, yoga classes, film screenings, and karaoke nights.
  • A Telegram chat is used to inform members about daily dishes available at the club.

42:47 Future Plans and Growth of the Club

This section discusses future plans for the club’s location and growth. There is mention of potentially moving to MTL City but no concrete details are provided. The speaker also mentions the decentralized and anarchic nature of the club, highlighting its openness to ideas and decision-making process.

Future Plans for Club Location

  • There is an idea to potentially move the club to MTL City, but it is not confirmed yet.

Decentralized Nature of the Club

  • The club operates in a decentralized manner, allowing members to bring up ideas and discuss them openly.
  • Decision-making is collaborative and based on consensus.
  • As the community grows, there may be some changes in how things are organized.

45:01 Membership and Financial Aspects

This section focuses on membership, payment methods, and financial aspects of the club. The speaker explains that while they personally pay for membership, non-members can still participate as long as they follow non-aggression principles. Food at the club is purchased using Euro stable coins.

Membership and Payment

  • The speaker personally pays for membership, but non-members can still participate if they are friends with existing members.
  • Non-members need to follow non-aggression principles to be part of the community.
  • Food at the club is purchased using Euro stable coins.

Financial Aspects

  • The club aims to make a profit.
  • Dividends are given to holders of mtls (club’s own token).
  • The value of the club is expected to grow over time.

46:33 Permaculture Project and Land Use

In this section, the speaker discusses their involvement in a permaculture project at Montelibero’s land. They explain that individuals can grow their own food on available land plots by reaching agreements with plot owners regarding sharing produce.

Permaculture Project

  • The speaker is involved in a permaculture project at Montelibero’s land.
  • The project aims to create a forest garden.
  • Individuals can grow their own food on available land plots.

Land Use Agreement

  • Individuals need to reach agreements with plot owners regarding sharing produce.
  • The speaker suggests growing food on the land of someone from India who may not want any produce in return.

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48:29 Communication with Landlords

The speaker mentions that they haven’t met all the landlords in person yet, as not all of them are in Montenegro. However, they do communicate and discuss different projects with them. They also contribute financially to projects such as building roads.

Landlords’ Involvement

  • The speaker communicates with the landlords, although not all have been met in person.
  • Contributions are made towards projects like road construction.
  • Laughing about privately provided roads and the meme of who will build the roads.

49:12 Road Development and Decision Making

The discussion revolves around road development and decision-making processes within the community. There is speculation about how long it will take for the area to become a libertarian paradise and concerns about decision-making when multiple people are involved.

Road Development

  • Existing roads leading to Montelibero are dirt tracks.
  • Speculation on how long it will take for the area to become a sparkling libertarian paradise.
  • Concerns about decision-making when multiple people are involved in making decisions.

50:20 Decision-Making Process

The speaker discusses their reservations regarding decision-making processes within communal projects. They mention potential challenges when multiple individuals vote on decisions, including veto power and potential stalling.

Challenges in Decision-Making

  • Reservations about communal decision-making processes.
  • Concerns that having many people voting on decisions may lead to stalling or difficulties reaching consensus.
  • Acknowledgment that both centralized decision-making and collective voting have their merits.

51:06 Construction Company’s Influence

The speaker highlights the influence of a construction company that is part of Montelibero and also a landlord. The company’s involvement and interest in the project contribute to its progress.

Construction Company’s Influence

  • The construction company is part of Montelibero and also a landlord.
  • Their real interest in the project helps keep it moving forward.
  • Considered one of the biggest projects in Montelibero.

51:28 House Design and Building

The speaker discusses their plans for building a house, including involving an architect, considering different house designs, and emphasizing simplicity in the building process.

House Design and Building

  • The speaker plans to bring an architect for designing their house.
  • Mention of previous experience building a small annex without extensive architectural involvement.
  • Emphasis on simplicity in the building process, highlighting that it can be straightforward if the structure is not overly complex.

52:27 Building Process Challenges

The speaker shares insights about the building process, mentioning that initial construction progresses quickly but finishing touches can take significantly longer.

Building Process Challenges

  • Initial construction progresses rapidly while finishing touches take much longer.
  • Personal experience with a building taking several years to complete despite appearing almost finished for most of that time.

53:09 Description of Planned House

The speaker describes their planned house as a two-bedroom semi-detached property with specific dimensions. They mention wanting to keep it small due to limited plot size and discuss potential future uses for the property.

Description of Planned House

  • Two-bedroom semi-detached house with specific dimensions (60 square meters).
  • Intention to keep the house small due to limited plot size.
  • Potential future uses include using it as a base within the community or renting/selling it later on.

54:44 Garden and Tree House Plans

The speaker discusses plans for a garden around the house, including incorporating a tree into the design and potentially creating a treehouse for their daughter.

Garden and Tree House Plans

  • Desire to have a garden around the house.
  • Mention of a beautiful tree on the land that could be incorporated into the design.
  • Consideration of creating a treehouse for their daughter.

55:06 Intentional Community

The speaker refers to Montelibero as an intentional community, highlighting that everyone seems to share the same intention. They mention potential future decisions regarding renting or selling the property.

Intentional Community

  • Montelibero is referred to as an intentional community.
  • Noting that everyone in the community seems to share the same intention.
  • Future decisions may involve renting or selling the property.

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55:51 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker discusses the plan for short-term rentals in a libertarian community and expresses skepticism about socialists visiting.

Short-Term Rentals and Libertarian Community

  • The flats in the community will mostly be available for short-term rent during the season.
  • The speaker mentions that they won’t be too strict with short-term renters, but hopes that the city will become significant enough to attract only libertarians.
  • Long-term renters would need to follow the non-aggression principle and understand the principles of the libertarian community.
  • The speaker questions why socialists would want to visit a libertarian community and suggests they may try to disrupt it.

57:26 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker is asked about what they would do if granted a paid sabbatical. They express their interest in experiencing life in tropical regions like Peru and investing more time into their current pursuits.

Dream Sabbatical and Tropical Living

  • If given a paid sabbatical, the speaker would choose to experience life in tropical regions like Peru or other countries.
  • They mention having friends who have bought land in Peru to protect the tropics from corporate operations.
  • The intention is to eventually move there, as many people are buying plots of land in various locations for similar reasons.
  • Other examples mentioned include Zanzibar, Mexico, and Thailand as places where people have sought refuge during lockdowns.

01:00:18 Descriptive Title

In this section, the conversation revolves around living in tropical regions and dietary preferences. The speaker expresses their love for tropical fruits and mentions consuming fish but avoiding other animal products.

Living in Tropical Regions and Dietary Preferences

  • The speaker expresses their desire to live in tropical regions due to their preference for tropical fruits like coconuts, bananas, mangoes, and papayas.
  • They mention that Montenegro is nice but not as easy as living in the tropics.
  • The speaker clarifies that they eat fish but avoid other animal products.
  • The conversation concludes with gratitude for the discussion and well wishes.