“A dystopia always has a different side: a utopian one. The question is, is it possible to have a Bitcoin utopia while the world is dystopian? So that’s a challenge to Bitcoiners. And I think it’s a great challenge. It challenges you to think about what hyperbitcoinization may mean and what it looks like.”
Rahim is an Austrian economist who is actually from Austria, which was a first for me, but he is also a physicist (specialization in nuclear physics and complex systems), philosopher, investor, and entrepreneur who has written more than a dozen books.
In this conversation, we begin by investigating the historical significance of citadels and in particular their modern-day incarnation as the Bitcoin citadel meme. From there we take a tour through many topics such as military technology, geopolitics, government inefficiencies, CBDCs, and the collapse of the fiat system.
All in all, I think that the whole discussion can be summed up quite nicely by Rahim’s statement ‘How not to live in a dystopian world’.
Enjoy the conversation.
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Section Overview: The host introduces the podcast and mentions that the episode features a conversation with Rahim Taghizadigan, the chief economist of the Free Cities Foundation.
Introduction to Rahim Taghizadegan
- Rahim is an Austrian economist, physicist specializing in nuclear physics and complex systems, philosopher, investor, and entrepreneur.
- He has written more than a dozen books.
Section Overview: The discussion explores the historical significance of citadels and their modern-day incarnation as Bitcoin citadels. Various topics such as government inefficiencies, military technology, geopolitics, CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies), and the collapse of the Fiat system are touched upon.
Historical Significance of Citadels
- Investigating the historical significance of citadels.
- Exploring their modern-day incarnation as Bitcoin citadels.
- Discussing government inefficiencies, military technology, geopolitics, CBDCs, and the collapse of the Fiat system.
Section Overview: The host mentions an upcoming conference organized by the Free Cities Foundation in Prague. He encourages listeners to attend for networking opportunities with like-minded individuals.
Free Cities Foundation Conference in Prague
- Two days of talks and networking at the heart of the Free Cities movement.
- Opportunity to meet builders in this space and exchange ideas with liberty enthusiasts from around the world.
- Encouragement to attend for valuable insights and connections.
Section Overview: The conversation delves into understanding what a Bitcoin citadel is. It discusses how it relates to living together historically and in contemporary times. The concept is explored as a meme and its potential positive connotations.
Definition of Bitcoin Citadel
- Exploring the concept of a Bitcoin citadel.
- Relating it to historical ideas about living together and emerging concepts.
- Describing it as a meme with potentially positive connotations.
Section Overview: The discussion focuses on the evolution of the Bitcoin citadel meme, its initial negative connotation, and how it has turned into something aspirational. The possibility of a Bitcoin utopia in a dystopian world is also contemplated.
Evolution of the Bitcoin Citadel Meme
- Discussing the transformation of the Bitcoin citadel meme from negative to potentially positive.
- Considering the dystopian nature of the meme and its connection to utopian aspirations.
- Contemplating whether a Bitcoin utopia can exist in a dystopian world.
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05:42 The Concept of Citadel and its Historical Significance
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of citadel and its historical significance in Western culture. The citadel is seen as a military innovation that allowed for decentralized defense technology, providing refuge for merchants and citizens.
History of Citadels
- 06:02 Citadels are military innovations that emerged from dystopian scenarios.
- Northern Italy was a center for the development of high-quality citadels, which coincided with its status as a hub for merchant wealth and the Renaissance.
- Citadels were purely defensive military technologies designed to protect against horseback riders.
- The most beautiful citadels were star-shaped, offering maximum visibility of aggressors and making it difficult for them to attack specific points.
Role of Merchant Networks
- 08:45 Merchant networks played a crucial role in the development of citadels by creating nodes of wealth.
- These nodes, often located in markets or transportation hubs, contributed to the wealth and craftsmanship required for building citadels.
- Citadels provided refuge not only for merchants but also for citizens, allowing them to be independent and successful.
Citadel vs City-State
- 10:11 While there is historical connection between citadels and city-states, they were based on different military technologies.
- City-states like ancient Greek city-states relied on military technologies such as phalanxes and triremes.
- Both citadels and city-states involved joint efforts and decentralized power structures but had distinct characteristics.
Importance of Diversified Western Culture
- 09:40 The existence of diverse cities run by dominant merchants in Western culture allowed for autonomy, refuge, and cultural flourishing.
- Cities provided liberty from feudal orders and offered opportunities to increase wealth through trade, services, and craftsmanship.
11:22 Coexistence of Centralized and Decentralized Power Structures
Section Overview: This section explores the coexistence of centralized and decentralized power structures in history, with a focus on city-states and distributionary states.
Concentration vs Dispersion of Power
- 11:22 Historically, there has been a tendency towards concentration and centralization of power.
- City-states, with dispersed centers of power, offered an alternative model based on decentralized defensive military technologies.
- Distributionary states relied on centralized power structures and concentrated resources.
Trade Networks and Nodes
- 11:44 Both centralized and decentralized power structures existed alongside each other as smaller nodes in trade networks.
- Merchant networks played a significant role in facilitating trade between these nodes.
The concept of citadel as a military innovation for decentralized defense technology holds historical significance in Western culture. Citadels provided refuge for merchants and citizens, allowing for autonomy, cultural flourishing, and the development of diversified city cultures. The coexistence of centralized and decentralized power structures, represented by city-states and distributionary states respectively, shaped historical dynamics. Trade networks facilitated connections between these nodes of power.
Section Overview: This section discusses the concept of fortifications and their relevance in modern times due to changes in military technology.
Fortifications and Military Technology
- Fortifications, such as pentagrams, were historically used for military purposes.
- Many fortifications are now for sale because they no longer provide any military value.
- The decline in military value is due to significant changes in military technology.
- Poorly maintained parts of fortifications may still exist as remnants of the past.
- The idea of a new citadel arising is speculative, considering the current dominance of nuclear military power.
Section Overview: This section explores the possibility of a new citadel emerging and how it relates to advancements in military technology.
Nuclear Power and Citadel
- Nuclear power did not significantly change the picture of citadels due to heavy control and high costs associated with nuclear technology.
- The distribution of military power could potentially be revolutionized by advancements in drone and AI warfare.
- Decentralized hackers with cutting-edge skills may have an equalizing advantage against centralized power centers.
- While there are dystopian aspects, AI and large language models could also lead to more equalizing effects.
Section Overview: This section discusses the potential impact of drones and AI on future military situations and defensive measures.
Drones, AI, and Defensive Measures
- In Russia, major military powers face challenges from small civil drones encroaching on their territory.
- We are only at the beginning stages of this technological change, so the full impact is yet to be seen.
- Hacking could become a defensive measure against drone/AI attacks.
Section Overview: This section explores the concept of physical collocation and its relevance in the context of a Citadel.
Physical Collocation and Citadel
- Physical collocation, whether through physical or digital means, can provide advantages in terms of economies of scale and network effects.
- Intrinsically motivated individuals who are physically collocated may have a chance to prevail in the new military situation.
- The idea of a Citadel is not purely dystopian; it represents changes in military technology and relative power.
Section Overview: This section delves into the origin of the Bitcoin Citadel meme and its connection to the concept of retreating from society.
Bitcoin Citadel Meme
- The Bitcoin Citadel meme originated as a derogatory idea, suggesting that Bitcoin enthusiasts would retreat from society during times of collapse.
- The concept was associated with survivalist storage of goods until resources run out or until external threats are eliminated.
- There is also mention of the Bitcoin time traveler post on the Bitcoin talk forum, where someone claimed to be from the future where everyone lives in Citadels.
18:49 Bitcoin and the Citadel
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of the Bitcoin Citadel and its current manifestation in 2023. They highlight the motivations behind people seeking refuge and a safe haven amidst uncertainty, as well as the changing perception of Bitcoin’s role in society.
The Current Manifestation of the Bitcoin Citadel
- People are longing for refuge and a plan B scenario in an age of uncertainty.
- The pandemic has increased skepticism towards fiat structures and pushed more people to consider alternative options.
- There is an exodus of entrepreneurial individuals from developed countries to find better trade-offs in terms of liberties and infrastructure available in developing countries.
- Western Europeans tend to be pessimistic about the future, leading some to question whether it is suitable to have children in such a negative environment.
- Taking financial responsibility and seceding from institutions that have lost trust is part of the picture for those seeking refuge.
- Institutions in developed countries are seen as consuming accumulated trust without providing merit.
23:26 Anticipating an Uncertain Future
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker reflects on living in interesting times and draws parallels with previous periods of skeptical perceptions about the future. They discuss how geopolitical uncertainty can lead to survivalism and intentional communities.
Living in Interesting Times
- Living in interesting times is subjective, but historically there have been cyclical patterns where certain periods are perceived as more interesting or uncertain than others.
- In the 70s, there was an increase in skeptical perceptions about the future due to geopolitical uncertainty during the Cold War era.
- Skepticism arose regarding one’s own institutions, particularly disappointment with the US as a moral leader.
- This period also saw a rise in survivalism and intentional communities as people sought alternatives amidst uncertainty.
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Section Overview: The speaker discusses the cyclical patterns of wealth and the uncertainty surrounding its source. They also explore the concept of preparing for Armageddon and the potential impact of technological advancements on warfare.
Wealth and Cyclical Patterns
- The speaker acknowledges that while they may be experiencing wealth, there is a sense of doubt regarding its origin and sustainability. 25:11
- They question whether these cyclical patterns are part of a regional trend or if they represent a new generation’s realization. 25:35
- The speaker reflects on past revolutions, such as the one in the 60s, and wonders if problems are being solved progressively. 25:35
Preparing for Armageddon
- The term “survivalists” is mentioned, referring to people who prepare for an apocalyptic event. 26:23
- The speaker ponders whether the idea of preparing for Armageddon has always been popular throughout history or if it is more prevalent now due to technological advancements. 26:55
- They express their belief that while fears of nuclear Armageddon exist, they remain optimistic about its likelihood. However, they acknowledge that it cannot be reduced to zero. 27:21
Technological Advancements and Warfare
- The speaker suggests that advances in military technologies have historically favored concentrated power structures. However, they believe that current technological changes may lead to a reversal in this pattern. 27:59
- Drones are mentioned as one example of recent technological advancements with potential implications for warfare. It is speculated that small-scale engagements or a medieval pattern of violence may emerge as a result.28:27
- A discussion arises regarding large blocks of countries like the EU and their role in preventing internal conflicts. However, it is noted that conflicts between massive blocks of countries can result in more destructive experiences than smaller battles. 29:19
- The speaker suggests that large mega-states may become irrelevant over time, leading to a system where small-scale battles are preferred. They cite historical examples such as the Roman Empire and Byzantium as empires that faded away and became irrelevant. 29:45
Section Overview: The speaker continues discussing the relevance of empires throughout history and how they eventually fade away. They touch upon different narratives surrounding the continuity of empires and their eventual irrelevance.
- The speaker mentions Obitentium, which was considered a continuation of the Roman Empire but eventually became militarily irrelevant. They highlight how different narratives exist regarding the continuity of empires, with some people still considering the Roman Empire to be present in some form. 30:12
- It is suggested that empires become irrelevant when they are no longer significant or central to certain aspects, such as military defense or cultural influence.30:40
31:33 Geopolitical Landscape in 2023
Section Overview: The speaker discusses the current geopolitical landscape and the possibility of a new two-block world order emerging.
Observations on the Geopolitical Landscape
- There is a risk of a new two-block world order emerging.
- Previously, there was a unipolar order with the US having undisputed dominance due to its power projection capabilities.
- The world splitting into blocks presents both challenges and opportunities.
32:30 Potential Impact on Bitcoin
Section Overview: The speaker explores how the emergence of two blocks in the geopolitical landscape could affect Bitcoin.
Impact on Bitcoin
- A two-block scenario could be bullish for Bitcoin.
- It would mean that there isn’t just one dominant currency within one system.
- However, it is not yet clear if this scenario will play out as the BRICS countries still have their own internal problems and trust issues among themselves.
33:26 Gap in Military Technology
Section Overview: The speaker discusses the gap in military technology between different countries and regions.
Gap in Military Technology
- There is still quite a gap in getting the necessary wealth to provide for advanced military technology.
- China has been trying to catch up but they are still not at par with American military technology.
- Chinese advancements have mainly been led by private entrepreneurs rather than centralized party efforts.
34:29 Catching Up in Technological Development
Section Overview: The speaker talks about China’s progress in technological development and its limitations.
Catching Up in Technological Development
- China has made progress, especially in areas like batteries and electric mobility.
- However, there is no strong military prevalence or relevance of these technologies yet.
- Private entrepreneurs have played a significant role in China’s advancements.
35:21 Geopolitical Alliances and the Middle East
Section Overview: The speaker discusses geopolitical alliances and the role of the Middle East in the two-block scenario.
- The current alignment includes the US, Europe, Israel, and potentially Japan, South Korea, and Australia.
- Saudi Arabia is shifting its alignment towards the BRICS countries.
- The situation in Ukraine and Russia highlights how alliances can lead to tensions and conflicts.
36:52 Ethnic Divisions within Nation States
Section Overview: The speaker talks about ethnic divisions within nation states and their impact on trust in institutions.
- Some parts of Europe have populations divided between pro-Russian and pro-European sentiments.
- Trust in institutions is eroded when a sizable part of the population loses faith in them.
- This division is seen as one of the reasons for the rise of right-wing populist parties.
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Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the challenges faced by large blocks and the potential consequences of excessive diversification.
Challenges of Diversification
- The speaker mentions that things are not going well for big blocks and argues that excessive diversification can hinder their success. 38:01
- The speaker expresses hope that this situation does not lead to rupturing all links. 38:13
- Ethnicity is not seen as the main factor in determining success or failure, but rather outlook and trust.38:19
- The speaker highlights the negative consequences of past actions, such as ethnic cleansing and the impact on national democracies.38:37
- The potential threat of ethnic markers leading to conflicts like genocide is mentioned.39:04
Section Overview: In this section, the discussion shifts towards envisioning a positive future scenario for Europe with a more decentralized approach.
Envisioning a Positive Future
- The speaker suggests a medieval scenario with power blocks that are important actors but not all-powerful, similar to nation states and churches playing off each other.39:17
- Instead of being linked to ethnic markers or territories, belief systems based on perspectives and changes in trust could play a role in shaping this positive scenario.40:06
- This decentralized approach could foster exchange and make certain places and protocols more important, benefiting Bitcoin, free cities, special economic zones, and multilateral agreements.40:33
Section Overview: In this section, the conversation explores the incentive for states to devolve or get smaller.
Incentives for Devolution
- The question of what incentivizes states to devolve is raised, considering the current trend of states getting bigger.41:01
- The speaker explains that states are like stationary bandits, and their behavior is influenced by their need for funds and their relative power.41:28
- States may behave nicely towards certain parties to secure funds, such as international monetary funds or influential countries like the US.41:56
Section Overview: In this section, the discussion focuses on potential ways to circumvent the current fiat wealth system and explores an interesting play happening in El Salvador.
Circumventing Fiat Wealth System
- The speaker mentions an interesting play in El Salvador where they initially sought Chinese influence but then turned to Bitcoin as a way to pressure the IMF.42:22
- This approach has attracted relatively wealthy tourists and investors, contributing to their economic stability. However, the long-term outcome is still uncertain.43:07
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44:22 The Irrelevance of Decision Avoidance
Section Overview: This section discusses the example of the Habsburg monarch in Prague who, despite having all the power, avoided making decisions and became irrelevant.
The Habsburg Monarch’s Inability to Make Decisions
- The seemingly powerful monarch of the Habsburgs in Prague couldn’t make any decisions due to his fear of responsibility.
- He relied on astrologers to tell him what to do, which made him irrelevant.
- This led to a relatively tolerant time in Prague as he couldn’t decide on anything.
Attracting People and Goods
- The monarch’s inability to rule attracted various people and goods to Prague.
- Even Protestant astrologers were sought after for advice.
The Trap of Convincing Politicians
- It is not feasible to convince politicians to behave better or consider long-term consequences.
- Arguing for their improved behavior based on the well-being of future generations is a trap.
45:59 Threats Leading to Irrelevancy
Section Overview: This section explores the potential threats that can cause states to become irrelevant, with a focus on funding legitimacy and Bitcoin.
Funding Legitimacy Erosion
- The biggest issue leading states towards irrelevancy is their struggle to maintain funding for legitimacy.
- As funding erodes, governments find it challenging to pay off interest groups and maintain stability.
Redistribution as Stability
- Post World War European stability was mainly driven by fear of inflation and economic boom, resulting in redistribution.
- Despite higher taxes, if wealth increases more than tax rates, people are less concerned about it.
48:11 Diminishing Legitimacy and Populist Emergence
Section Overview: This section discusses how diminishing capacity leads to diminishing legitimacy and the emergence of populist movements.
Diminishing Capacity and Interest Groups
- As the state struggles to provide for more than 50% of the population, legitimacy diminishes.
- The impression that interest groups are not adequately compensated leads to instability.
Governments’ Fear of Citizens
- Governments have become afraid of their own citizens due to increasing dissatisfaction and contrarian narratives.
- Extremists and unhappy populations pose a challenge to governance and stability.
49:35 Discontentment and Fear in Western Societies
Section Overview: This section highlights the increase in discontentment and fear among politicians and government functionaries in peaceful western societies.
Discontentment with Pandemic Situation
- Unhappiness with pandemic-related laws and situations has led to increased distrust towards governments.
- Even previously trusted governments are perceived as enemies by some parts of the population.
Increase in Police Protection
- The need for police protection for politicians and government functionaries has risen significantly.
- Politicians are becoming more fearful of their own population, even in peaceful societies.
50:04 Central Bank Limitations on Money Printing
Section Overview: This section addresses the limitations faced by central banks when it comes to printing money.
Central Bank’s Limitation on Money Printing
- Central banks have limits on money printing due to concerns about inflation and hyperinflation.
- While they can technically print as much money as they want, there are practical constraints.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the limitations of getting rid of artificial limits and the role of central banks in providing liquidity during banking crises.
Upcoming Economists and Artificial Limits
- Some up-and-coming economists claim that artificial limits should be eliminated.
- However, the speaker believes that these limitations are overrated.
Role of Central Banks
- Even if formal limitations are removed, certain things will still require intervention.
- Central banks act as a lender of last resort during banking crises.
- They facilitate the transmission mechanism from government debt monetization to provide liquidity to banks or redistribute it through government redistribution.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses how even under Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), there are still limits and challenges related to inflation control and monetary stability.
Limits Under MMT
- Even under MMT’s conclusion of removing formal limits on the monetary system, there are still perceived limits.
- High inflation rates challenge MMT’s belief that inflation can be controlled solely through taxation.
- The speaker expresses doubt about whether this approach would lead to monetary stability.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker explains how an increase in money production leads to higher inflation rates and poses challenges for maintaining monetary stability.
Increasing Money Production
- As governments produce more money, inflation rates tend to rise.
- This creates a spiral effect where more money needs to be produced to combat high inflation.
- Political interventions may exacerbate this spiral further.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker emphasizes that current economic problems related to high inflation and diminishing returns on fiat money are not solely due to limitations but rather real economic challenges.
Real Economic Problems
- The speaker disagrees with the belief that current economic problems are solely due to limitations.
- Marginal returns on fiat money have been decreasing, both in the private and government sectors.
- Western countries’ spending on areas like health and education has not yielded satisfactory results.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of universal basic income (UBI) and its compatibility with MMT.
Universal Basic Income and MMT
- While MMT focuses on creating money, it does not advocate for universal basic income (UBI).
- MMT proponents believe in an employer of last resort rather than a basic income.
- They suggest that governments should create jobs to ensure full employment and set minimum wage standards.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker shares their opinion on universal basic income (UBI) and highlights concerns about its implementation.
Concerns About UBI
- The speaker does not support UBI or other similar ideas.
- UBI often arises from population desperation due to rising costs and housing unaffordability.
- Simply handing out more money may not improve the situation without considering alternative approaches.
- Countries already providing financial support during crises face challenges in distributing funds effectively.
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker reflects on Austria’s experience during the pandemic as an example of partial implementation of UBI-like measures.
Partial Implementation of UBI
- During the pandemic, Austria provided income guarantees for most people, resembling a holiday period.
- However, self-employed individuals faced difficulties accessing financial support.
- This situation contributes to challenges in finding willing workers and maintaining full employment.
57:17 The Phenomenon of People Not Wanting to Work
Section Overview: This section discusses the phenomenon of people not wanting to work, particularly in certain jobs. It explores whether this trend will continue or if people will eventually return to work.
Will People Return to Work?
- There is a real phenomenon of people not wanting to work, especially in certain jobs like the service industry.
- Some businesses are struggling to find employees.
- The question is whether people will eventually go back to work or if they will continue to avoid it.
- Some predict that Universal Basic Income (UBI) will become necessary due to AI and technology driving many people out of work.
UBI and its Impact on the Economy
- UBI is not a viable solution because it would lead to distortions in the economy.
- Giving everyone an additional thousand euros per month would create unequal changes and distort the economy.
- Some goods and services would see increased demand from those with extra income, leading to inflation for those essential goods.
- Wealthier countries may be able to afford more experiments with UBI, but there are diminishing returns and potential injustices associated with it.
Intrinsic Motivation vs. Extrinsic Motivation
- Higher wages may not be enough to motivate people to work, as intrinsic motivation plays a significant role.
- Offering alternative incentives like Bitcoin may have a higher chance of success than offering fiat money.
- Many individuals are motivated by factors other than money when considering leaving traditional jobs.
59:21 Bullshit Jobs and Displacement of Labor
Section Overview: This section delves into the concept of “bullshit jobs” and how technological advancements can displace labor.
Rise of Bullshit Jobs
- More fiat jobs are starting to feel like bullshit jobs due to lack of meaning and learning opportunities.
- The high cost of being in these jobs may not be worth paying for the employers, leading to labor displacement.
- Alternative methods with technological leverage or remote work are replacing traditional employment.
Impact on Income
- Displacement of labor can result in more people being without income over time.
- Governments may need to take action to maintain social stability and support their populations.
- UBI may be an attractive selling point for politicians, even if it is not a practical solution.
01:01:15 Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs)
Section Overview: This section explores the potential implications of central bank digital currencies (CBDCs).
CBDC Implementation Challenges
- The question arises as to how much money a central bank would have to produce to hire competent individuals for CBDC programs.
- Finding expertise and avoiding a vicious circle of spending more fiat money while getting subpar results could be challenging.
- The liquidity pool of the US dollar allows for more printing before hyperinflation occurs compared to other currencies.
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01:03:18 Challenges with Government IT Projects
Section Overview: The speaker discusses the challenges faced by Western governments in IT projects, particularly related to budget and deadlines.
Reasons for Failure in Government IT Projects
- Lack of sufficient funds for the required level of competence.
- Need for consultants to make strategic decisions.
- Wrong decisions due to misinterpretation or lack of expertise.
- Use of large consultancy agencies to provide legitimacy and shift responsibility from politicians.
- Expensive decision-making process leading to budget and time overruns.
01:04:32 Examples of Failed Government Projects
Section Overview: The speaker provides an example of a failed government project in Austria during the pandemic, where they attempted to create a national competitor to Amazon but lacked the necessary understanding of the business model and incurred significant costs.
Example Project Failure – Austrian National Amazon Competitor
- Austrian government tried to create a national competitor to Amazon during the pandemic.
- Lack of understanding about Amazon’s business model and network effects led to failure.
- Despite having competent developers and sufficient funds, the project was unsuccessful.
- Lack of expertise in dynamic areas like technology can result in costly failures.
01:06:26 CBDCs and Governance
Section Overview: The speaker discusses how central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) are connected with governance, including social credit scores. They also highlight that even though some believe CBDCs are inevitable, there are doubts about their existence due to limited state capacity.
CBDCs and Governance
- CBDCs can be linked with social credit scores for effective governance at scale.
- State capacity plays a role in determining the feasibility of CBDC implementation.
- China has higher state capacity compared to European Union countries.
- Chinese politicians tend to have engineering backgrounds, while European politicians often come from political careers.
- Even China is hesitant with CBDC projects and relies on private companies for expertise.
01:08:07 Challenges in CBDC Implementation
Section Overview: The speaker discusses the challenges in implementing CBDCs, including combining complex problems like payments and surveillance, the cost of surveillance, and the need for prototypes and simple problem-solving approaches.
Challenges in CBDC Implementation
- Combining complex problems like payments and surveillance can lead to failure.
- Surveillance can be costly and may not always yield desired results.
- European central banks are hesitant due to concerns about security, privacy, and cost-effectiveness.
- Prototypes and city-by-city implementation with different companies are preferred approaches.
- Linking simple problems first helps mitigate risks associated with complex integration.
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01:09:24 The Risks of Central Bank Digital Currencies
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the risks associated with central bank digital currencies (CBDCs), including potential hacking vulnerabilities and loss of trust in centralized authorities.
Potential Hacking Vulnerabilities and Loss of Trust
- CBDC projects can be vulnerable to hacking by both state and private actors.
- Government projects in the West have a track record of being susceptible to hacking.
- Loss of legitimacy and trust can occur if CBDCs are hacked or compromised.
- Central banks rely on trust as a selling point for their centralized authority, contrasting it with decentralized cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.
- The interest groups supporting traditional banking systems may limit the implementation of CBDCs.
- It is unlikely that a completely enmeshed surveillance system will be rolled out as a cash replacement. Instead, prototypes and test projects are more likely to emerge.
01:10:58 Adoption Challenges and Private Alternatives
Section Overview: This section focuses on adoption challenges faced by CBDCs and the availability of private alternatives that may hinder their widespread use.
- Some CBDC projects have failed due to lack of adoption, such as in Nigeria where people did not see a real need for it.
- Private solutions already exist for replacing cash, such as fintech platforms in Europe or telecommunication payments in Africa.
Availability of Private Alternatives
- The existence of private alternatives reduces the perceived need for CBDCs.
- Central banks must entice people to adopt CBDCs without losing further trust from potential failures or security breaches.
01:11:57 Media Impact and Ridicule
Section Overview: This section explores how media coverage can impact public perception of central bankers and highlights the potential for ridicule in the face of CBDC failures.
- Media coverage can take advantage of CBDC failures, leading to ridicule of central bankers.
- Central bankers are already viewed with skepticism due to their perceived distance from the general public.
Potential Ridicule and Loss of Credibility
- The further central bankers are from the concerns of ordinary people, the more they may be ridiculed for their actions.
- Once ridicule starts, it signals a collapse in credibility and trust in their position or authority.
01:13:23 Historical Examples and Counter Trust
Section Overview: This section discusses historical examples where loss of trust led to the downfall of institutions and how counter trust can emerge when people believe everything done by those in power is wrong or part of a sinister ploy.
Downfall of Institutions
- The Catholic Church’s downfall serves as an example where inflated importance and moral authority led to a loss of trust.
- Institutions that were once seen as representing the best systems can face aggressive backlash if they are perceived as below average or untrustworthy.
- Counter trust emerges when people start distrusting everything done by those in power.
- It becomes a belief that every action is wrong or part of a sinister plan, eroding any remaining trust.
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01:15:37 The Impact of Mismatched Expectations on Politicians
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the impact of mismatched expectations on politicians and how it can lead to a negative perception of politics.
Challenges Faced by High-standing Politicians
- When there is a slight mismatch between politicians’ actions and public expectations, it can result in an over-reaction.
- High-standing politicians feel rejected and threatened when the population turns against them.
- Being a politician is becoming less attractive due to the potential for personal ruin and blame for everything.
Declining Perception of Western Politicians
- Many Western politicians perceive themselves as blamed for everything, leading to a vicious circle.
- The quality of politicians has declined, with below-average communication skills and overall ridiculousness.
- There is a lack of strong beliefs among politicians, leading to a homogenized political landscape where no one cares.
Uncertain Future of Politics
- Fewer people have an interest in politics due to the perception that politicians cave under pressure.
- The future relevance of politics is uncertain, potentially leading to disillusionment.
- This may result in governments being unable to pay for competent individuals or attract quality candidates.
01:17:45 Politics Becoming Irrelevant and Potential Consequences
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker explores the possibility of politics becoming irrelevant and its potential consequences.
Politics Becoming Irrelevant
- There is a scenario where politics becomes irrelevant due to disillusionment with the system.
- This could lead to government inability to pay for necessary competence and services.
Hyperbitcoinization and State Relevance
- In a hyperbitcoinized world, governments become increasingly irrelevant as they struggle to create value without stealing or earning it.
- Governments are not good at earning their way, which may lead to some governments becoming nasty.
- The state’s relevance diminishes as it loses the ability to control money creation.
Historical Examples of Governments Becoming Irrelevant
- In the past, governments became irrelevant due to regime uncertainty and perceived scarcity of resources like silver.
- Some governments had to grant autonomy to cities and merchants, leading to positive outcomes in the long run.
01:21:21 Geopolitical Distrust and Gold Hoarding
Section Overview: This section discusses increasing geopolitical distrust and the hoarding of gold by certain countries.
Geopolitical Distrust and Gold Buying
- The buying of gold by certain countries is an expression of increasing geopolitical distrust.
- The politicization of the dollar has eliminated a neutral payment layer, leading to gold being seen as a safe alternative.
01:21:40 Governments and Bitcoin
Section Overview: The discussion revolves around the involvement of governments in mining or buying Bitcoin, particularly focusing on Iran, North Korea, and China. It explores the challenges faced by totalitarian governments in controlling and managing cryptocurrencies.
Governments’ Involvement in Bitcoin
- 01:21:46 Mining and buying Bitcoin is happening in various governments, including Iran and North Korea.
- Totalitarian governments face challenges in controlling corruption and ensuring competence in managing cryptocurrencies.
- The control problem associated with cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin is not favorable for totalitarian governments.
- Powerful governments worldwide are contemplating the impact of Bitcoin. Some are considering accumulating it while others are exploring the possibility of banning it.
China’s Perspective on Bitcoin
- 01:22:06 China has closely observed Bitcoin but hasn’t reached a clear decision regarding its benefits or drawbacks.
- China sees a trade-off with Bitcoin as it allows circumvention of capital controls but also poses uncertainties about its impact on the dollar.
- The influence of US entrepreneurs has made the Bitcoin ecosystem more American over time.
- China implemented a mining ban to control the industry better due to concerns about losing their lead position.
Uncertainty among Governments
- 01:22:31 Many governments, especially those based on population control, view Bitcoin negatively.
- The mining ban in China led to decentralization within the industry, indicating that China doesn’t consider Bitcoin entirely positive for them.
- Governments like Iran experiment with using Bitcoin for international payments but haven’t scaled up significantly yet.
Role of Trust and Control
- 01:25:01 For countries like China, where trust is an issue, using alternatives to dollars like Bitcoin can be advantageous.
- Chinese companies may find it easier to receive payments in cryptocurrency when dealing internationally.
- Due to mishandling of the pandemic, some expert entrepreneurs have left China, making it a challenging time for the country.
- China has opened up in certain ways due to reaching dead ends and realizing the need for change.
Government Involvement in Mining
- 01:27:17 The high hash rate in China suggests that both secret mining by individuals and government involvement are possible.
01:25:22 Governments’ Awareness of Bitcoin
Section Overview: This section discusses how governments are becoming more aware of Bitcoin and its potential impact on international payments and sanction evasion. It emphasizes that Bitcoin will only have a role to play against those governments that perceive it as a threat.
Experimentation with Bitcoin
- 01:25:22 The Iranian Minister of Economics has mentioned Bitcoin as an experimental means for international payments.
- However, such experimentation hasn’t scaled up significantly yet, indicating limited impact on sanction evasion.
Governments’ Recognition of Bitcoin
- 01:25:49 Governments acknowledge that Bitcoin is not something that will disappear just because they dislike it.
- Understanding and awareness of cryptocurrencies are increasing among governments worldwide.
Role of Bitcoin Against Control-Oriented Governments
- 01:26:01 Bitcoin can play a role against governments focused on controlling their population.
- The mining ban in China was seen as a positive step towards decentralization within the industry.
Potential Use Cases for Bitcoin
- 01:26:30 Chinese companies may find it easier to receive payments in cryptocurrency when dealing internationally.
- Buying intellectual property (IP), attracting entrepreneurs, or regaining trust could be facilitated through the use of Bitcoin.
01:26:58 Uncertainty and Opening Up
Section Overview: This section highlights how uncertainty among governments regarding the benefits or drawbacks of Bitcoin leads to opening up certain aspects. It also mentions the reopening of Hong Kong for Bitcoin experimentation.
Opening Up Amid Uncertainty
- 01:26:58 China is opening up certain aspects due to reaching dead ends and realizing the need for change.
- The reopening of Hong Kong for Bitcoin experimentation indicates uncertainty about its impact.
Challenging Times for China
- 01:26:58 China faces challenges in controlling the population, flow of people, ideas, money, and capital.
- The mishandling of the pandemic has led to expert entrepreneurs leaving China.
01:27:17 Government Involvement in Mining (Continued)
Section Overview: This section discusses the possibility of secret mining by individuals and government involvement in mining despite the ban imposed by China.
Secret Mining or Government Involvement?
- 01:27:17 The high hash rate in China suggests that both secret mining by individuals and government involvement are possible.
01:27:54 Control and Loyalty in Chinese Enterprises
Section Overview: This section discusses the selection process of entrepreneurs in China, where control and loyalty towards the party are valued.
Selection Process for Entrepreneurs in China
- Chinese enterprises aim to have control over selected entrepreneurs who are loyal to the party and its ideologies.
- The selection process ensures that entrepreneurs will not run away with the wealth they generate.
- This process is implemented across various industries in China.
01:28:24 Hyper Bitcoinized World and Deflationary Effects
Section Overview: The Austrian economist explains what a hyper Bitcoinized world would look like, including deflationary effects and potential contractions.
Hyper Bitcoinized World
- In a hyper Bitcoinized world, there could be technological deflation, which increases purchasing power.
- A contraction may occur if it is mandated by the government to replace the entire money supply with Bitcoin on the main blockchain without sufficient time for adaptation.
- Similar to the original gold standard, most people would not necessarily use Bitcoin on a day-to-day basis but rather as an industry standard or settlement layer.
- Layered money systems could emerge, with different layers serving different purposes such as credit and international settlements.
01:30:22 Bitcoin as an International Settlement Layer
Section Overview: This section explores how Bitcoin can function as a neutral international settlement layer while allowing for parallel national currencies and other layers of payment systems.
Bitcoin as an International Settlement Layer
- Bitcoin can serve as a default system-based layer for settlement between companies from different countries.
- Parallel national currencies may still exist alongside Bitcoin, but with different perspectives on their value.
- Different layers of payment systems can be built on top of the settlement layer provided by Bitcoin.
01:31:11 Layers of Trust and Credit in a Bitcoin Standard
Section Overview: This section discusses the concept of layered trust and credit in a Bitcoin standard, including the role of different layers and forms of money.
Layers of Trust and Credit
- Bitcoin can be seen as a savings layer or unit of account, while other layers can provide stability through stable coins or synthetic solutions.
- Under the gold standard, there were different layers such as silver for lower purchasing power transactions.
- The second layer involves settlement credit between merchants, which can be facilitated by instruments like bills of exchange.
- Trustworthy merchants play a crucial role in maintaining the integrity of these layers.
01:32:20 Emergence of New Forms of Money and Liquidity Management
Section Overview: This section explores the emergence of new forms of money and liquidity management under a Bitcoin standard.
New Forms of Money and Liquidity Management
- Experimentation with new forms of money is expected, including software-as-a-service companies using their data as collateral for credit.
- Competent institutions can facilitate instruments like bills of exchange to prove cash flows and provide supplier credits.
- Purity and trust are essential in ensuring proper incentives within the system.
01:33:47 Layers, Trust Networks, and Settlement Systems
Section Overview: This section delves into the importance of trust networks, settlement systems, and layers within a Bitcoin standard.
Importance of Trust Networks and Settlement Systems
- Different layers represent varying levels of trust within networks.
- The final settlement layer provided by Bitcoin is not dependent on any political empire.
- Parallel national currencies may still exist but with different perspectives on their value.
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01:34:32 Can Bitcoin Exist Without Bitcoin?
Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the role of Bitcoin and its importance on an institutional and international level. Bitcoin has transitioned from being ridiculed to becoming a topic that is covered by every newspaper.
The Role of Bitcoin
- Bitcoin serves as a role model for something happening on an institutional and international level.
- It is considered a contrarian play that has gained attention and recognition over time.
- Every newspaper now covers topics related to Bitcoin.
01:34:54 Importance of the Monetary Network
Section Overview: This section highlights two reasons why Bitcoin is important – its widespread usage and the significance of its monetary network.
Reasons for Importance
- Many people have heard about Bitcoin and are actively using it to address real needs.
- The technology behind Bitcoin addresses existing needs in the market.
- The monetary network provided by Bitcoin is underrated but crucial.
- Decentralized stores of wealth and efficient transportation, exchange, and transfer of wealth are facilitated by this network.
01:35:15 The Interconnection Between Money and Politics
Section Overview: This section explores the interconnection between money, politics, and cooperation.
Money’s Significance in Political Structures
- The monetary layer is considered the most important layer as it underpins everything else.
- Cooperation relies heavily on funding political structures.
- Different approaches to funding political structures can lead to different outcomes.
01:35:34 Importance of Cooperation in Markets
Section Overview: This section emphasizes the importance of cooperation within markets for societal progress.
Spontaneous Order Cooperation in Markets
- Money serves as infrastructure for cooperation within markets.
- Individual efforts alone have limited impact; collective decentralized cooperation is crucial.
- Markets provide a form of spontaneous order cooperation that enables progress and development.
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