” I think that what we’re going through is pretty new. For most of human history, there has always been a frontier. So there was always a space where new people could push into and there’s certainly some sort of ideological conformity among the kinds of people who are interested in that. They are different in some way. The kinds of people who rushed across America hundreds of years ago or who left Europe for America.   These are selection effects. There’s something different, on average, about the kinds of people who do this.

Jeremy Kauffman in May 2022

Today on the podcast, I’m speaking with Jeremy Kauffman

Jeremy is a tech entrepreneur and a well-known activist in the American Libertarian movement. He is also deeply involved in the New Hampshire Free State Project, which is the focus of our conversation.

In this episode, we discuss the Free State Project and the US political landscape in general, along with Jeremy’s perspectives on the Libertarian movement and the best strategies for carving out a pathway to freedom in the future.

Additionally, we touch on topics such as A.I., frontier spaces, collapsatarianism (I love discovering new words), Jeremy’s opinion of the Free Cities movement, and I get the low down on why I should bring my family to visit PorcFest – New Hampshire’s epic Libertarian Freedom Festival.

Enjoy the conversation.

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00:11 Welcome to the Free Cities Podcast

Section Overview: The host, Timothy Allen, introduces himself as the host of the Free Cities Podcast and mentions that it is the official podcast of the Free Cities Foundation.

Highlights from the Past Year

  • The podcast has been running for one year, with a new episode released every week.
  • Over 100 hours of non-stop discussion about various topics related to free cities.
  • Episode 5, featuring a candid discussion with a Canadian couple who moved to Central America during the pandemic, was the most listened-to episode.
  • Other notable episodes include discussions on homeschooling in Prague (Episode 16), Bitcoin (Episode 7), city planning and architecture (Episode 31), and more.

04:21 Jeremy Kauffman and the Free State Project

Section Overview: In this episode, Timothy interviews Jeremy Kauffman, a tech entrepreneur and activist involved in the American libertarian movement. They discuss the Free State Project in New Hampshire and its political landscape.

Key Points:

  • The Free State Project aims to bring libertarians together in one place to have a political impact.
  • Jeremy Kauffman is deeply involved in the New Hampshire Free State Project and was a libertarian nominee for the US Senate election.
  • They discuss various topics such as AI frontier spaces, collapsitarianism, and Jeremy’s opinion on free cities movement.
  • Timothy expresses interest in attending Pork Fest, New Hampshire’s epic libertarian Freedom Festival.

06:15 Introduction to the Free State Project

Section Overview: Timothy admits his limited knowledge about the Free State Project and asks Jeremy some basic questions about it.

Key Points:

  • The Free State Project aims to bring libertarians together in one place to have a political impact.
  • It involves moving libertarians to a specific location, such as New Hampshire.
  • The project recognizes that libertarians have different perspectives and debates about the term “libertarian.”
  • The goal is to create real change in the world and carve out a pathway to freedom.

06:56 Understanding the Free State Project

Section Overview: Timothy seeks clarification on the purpose and goals of the Free State Project.

Key Points:

  • The Free State Project aims to achieve more liberty through political action.
  • It involves concentrating libertarians in one geographic area to influence policies and legislation.
  • The project focuses on promoting individual freedoms, limited government, and personal responsibility.
  • Libertarians debate various strategies for achieving their goals within the project.

05:32 Reflections on One Year of Podcasting

Section Overview: Timothy expresses gratitude for one year of podcasting and reflects on meeting optimistic and inspirational individuals striving for real change.

Key Points:

  • The Free Cities Podcast has completed one year of weekly episodes.
  • Timothy feels fortunate to meet inspiring individuals who are working towards creating positive change in the world.
  • He thanks his listeners for their support and looks forward to many more shows in the future.

07:30 The Free State Project and Concentrating Forces

Section Overview: Jason Soren started the Free State Project with the idea of concentrating libertarian forces in one place. The project aims to recruit libertarians to move to New Hampshire, where they can have a greater impact politically and find social and psychological benefits from being among like-minded individuals.

The Central Idea of the Free State Project

  • Jason Soren realized that the scattered efforts of libertarians were not effective, so he proposed concentrating their forces.
  • The project’s central idea is to bring together millions of libertarians in America and around the world by encouraging them to move to New Hampshire.
  • Currently, there are over 10,000 Free Staters in New Hampshire, with 40 of them serving in the legislature.

Benefits of Living in New Hampshire for Libertarians

  • While New Hampshire is not a libertarian utopia, it is a place where libertarians are winning politically.
  • There are political benefits for libertarians living in New Hampshire, such as having representation in government.
  • Additionally, there are social and psychological benefits from being surrounded by people who share similar beliefs.

09:23 Minority Status of Libertarians and Political Success

Section Overview: Although libertarians are a minority group, they have found success politically through various means. The Free State Project does not align exclusively with any political party but has had more success with Republicans than Democrats. There is also an organization called the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance that grades elected representatives based on their libertarian values.

Minority Status of Libertarians

  • Libertarians acknowledge that they are a minority group.
  • Some people believe that only a few individuals truly desire freedom and it makes sense for libertarians to stick together.

Political Success through Various Means

  • The Free State Project encourages individuals to run for office under any party, but they have had more success with Republicans.
  • Over 40 Free Staters have won as Republicans, including the House Majority Leader and a state senator.
  • The New Hampshire Liberty Alliance grades elected representatives based on their libertarian values, and around 100 libertarians have been elected based on their scores.

10:15 The Free State Project vs. the Movement

Section Overview: There is a distinction between the Free State Project and the broader libertarian movement. The Free State Project serves as a marketing arm to promote New Hampshire as a destination for libertarians, while the movement itself is not controlled by any specific organization or hierarchy.

The Free State Project and the Movement

  • The Free State Project is a formal corporation that markets New Hampshire to libertarians and recruits them to move there.
  • It is important to understand that the project is separate from the broader libertarian movement.
  • The movement consists of around 10,000 individuals who are not taking orders from the Free State Project.
  • While there may be prominent figures within the movement, there is no explicit hierarchy or control over social justice issues.

11:58 Political Influence of Free Staters in New Hampshire

Section Overview: Free Staters are considered one of the most substantial political factions in New Hampshire. They have gained influence through elected positions at various levels of government and control over local parties.

Political Influence of Free Staters

  • According to mainstream press sources, free staters are recognized as one of the most significant political factions in New Hampshire.
  • More than 40 free staters have won elections as Republicans, with additional wins as Democrats.
  • The New Hampshire Liberty Alliance’s grading system indicates around 100 elected libertarians based on their scores.
  • Local offices and control over local parties also contribute to their political influence.

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12:47 Understanding People’s Motives and Beliefs

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses how people’s stated motives and beliefs may not align with their true intentions. They also highlight the importance of having a sufficient density of active individuals who care about libertarianism to make it a dominant ideology in a state.

Realistic Libertarianism

  • People’s stated motives and beliefs may not reflect their true intentions.
  • The majority of people are not libertarian and tend to lean towards other ideologies like Nazism or socialism.
  • A sufficient density of active individuals who care about libertarianism is necessary for it to become the dominant ideology in a state.

13:26 Balancing Personal Freedom and Happiness

Section Overview: The speaker reflects on their desire for everyone to be happy and free but acknowledges that it doesn’t necessarily compel them to impose their beliefs on others. They contrast this with hardline leftists who want everyone to conform and hardline libertarians who prioritize individual freedom.

Desire for Happiness and Freedom

  • The speaker wants everyone to be happy and free but doesn’t feel compelled to force their beliefs on others.
  • Hardline leftists want everyone to conform, while hardline libertarians prioritize individual freedom.

14:39 Natural Libertarians in America

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the presence of natural libertarians in America, individuals who have an impulse towards letting people be without stepping on each other’s toes. They note that New Hampshire has a significant number of such individuals, including Republicans and conservatives who appreciate having allies against the left.

Natural Libertarians in America

  • Natural libertarians have an impulse towards letting people be without interfering in each other’s lives.
  • New Hampshire has a significant number of natural libertarians, including Republicans and conservatives who appreciate having allies against the left.

16:07 Frontier Attitude and Innovation

Section Overview: The speaker explores the frontier attitude in America, where people sought to be left alone by running to another country. They also discuss the frustration with the lack of innovation due to government interference and highlight the potential for innovation in frontier spaces.

Frontier Attitude and Innovation

  • The frontier attitude in America is rooted in seeking freedom from interference.
  • Frustration exists due to government interference hindering innovation.
  • Frontier spaces offer opportunities for innovation and freedom from government control.

17:19 Variety within the Libertarian Movement

Section Overview: The speaker highlights the diversity within the libertarian movement, including collapsitarians concerned about economic collapse, homesteaders seeking privacy and self-sufficiency, and various subgroups or cliques within the movement.

Diversity within the Libertarian Movement

  • The libertarian movement encompasses various types of individuals, such as collapsitarians, homesteaders, and more.
  • There are numerous subgroups or cliques within the movement that cater to different interests and ideologies.

17:35 Benefits of Moving to New Hampshire

Section Overview: The speaker discusses both immediate and distant benefits of moving to New Hampshire for freedom-minded individuals. They mention how being part of a community with 10,000 like-minded people can have a significant impact on promoting liberty.

Benefits of Moving to New Hampshire

  • Immediate benefits include being part of a community with 10,000 like-minded individuals.
  • Distant benefits may involve long-term impacts on promoting liberty.

18:12 Social and Psychological Differences in Libertarian Communities

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the social and psychological differences experienced in libertarian communities, highlighting the shared values and freedom-oriented parenting styles.

Social and Psychological Differences

  • Living in a dense community of like-minded individuals who share values creates a sense of belonging and support. 18:12
  • Libertarian communities tend to have a more permissive parenting style, allowing children to explore and make their own judgments. 18:37
  • Being part of a libertarian community brings joy and relief as it allows individuals to be around people who share their values and perspectives. 19:11

19:47 Benefits Beyond Online Research

Section Overview: The speaker emphasizes that being part of a libertarian community offers benefits beyond online research, such as difficult-to-quantify advantages from shared values and perspectives.

Beyond Online Research

  • While tax policies and property choices are important, there are additional intangible benefits from being part of a libertarian community. 19:47
  • These benefits include the opportunity to be surrounded by people who share similar values, perspectives, and ideologies. 19:47
  • The growth of online communities manifesting in real life is facilitated by the internet, leading to the formation of ideological communities worldwide. 20:25

21:24 Challenges of Ideological Communities

Section Overview: The speaker acknowledges that ideological communities may face challenges due to human nature’s tendency to splinter into subgroups with conflicting views.

Challenges Faced by Ideological Communities

  • Humans naturally form subgroups and often develop animosity towards other subgroups, leading to factionalization and internal conflicts. 22:49
  • Cultural norms and formal mechanisms can help prevent division within ideological communities. 23:07

23:27 Size of Government in New Hampshire

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the reduction in the size of government in New Hampshire, specifically the elimination of income taxes on income and dividends.

Reduction in Government Size

  • In New Hampshire, the government has successfully eliminated income taxes on income and dividends, making it the smallest government in terms of size. 23:27


Section Overview: The speaker discusses how New Hampshire is the only state in the country that is cutting both taxes and spending. They mention the reduction of red tape and occupational licensing as well.

Cutting Taxes and Spending

  • New Hampshire is the only state in the country that is cutting both taxes and spending.
  • Reducing red tape and occupational licensing are part of the efforts to cut unnecessary regulations.


Section Overview: The speaker acknowledges that they did not personally contribute to these efforts but highlights the importance of recognizing the work done by others. They also discuss the size of government bureaucracy.

Recognizing Others’ Work and Bureaucratic Size

  • The speaker emphasizes that they did not contribute directly to these efforts, giving credit to others.
  • They mention being a collector of statistics for New Hampshire but do not have an exact number for government employees.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that government services in New Hampshire, such as DMV, are more efficient compared to other places in America.


Section Overview: The speaker mentions a candidate named Lily Tang Williams who has run for Congress under libertarian principles. Another candidate mentioned is Bruce Fenton, who could potentially win a national seat in the future. The speaker also talks about their own involvement with memes and videos related to libertarianism.

Libertarian Candidates and Involvement with Memes

  • Lily Tang Williams is a candidate running for Congress under libertarian principles.
  • Bruce Fenton is another serious candidate who may have potential for winning a national seat.
  • The speaker ran under the libertarian party and created memes and videos related to libertarianism.
  • They acknowledge that some of their videos went viral but describe it as challenging to convey jokes through descriptions.


Section Overview: The speaker discusses the use of satire in their movement and how it resonates with people who recognize the absurdity and hypocrisy in politics. They also mention the importance of attention and attracting more people to the libertarian cause.

Using Satire and Attracting Attention

  • Satire is a powerful tool used by the libertarian movement to highlight absurdities in politics.
  • The speaker believes that satire resonates with people who recognize the hypocrisy and dishonesty of politicians.
  • In the early days, active protest was also used to force engagement from those in power.
  • Attention plays a crucial role in attracting more people to the libertarian movement.


Section Overview: The speaker acknowledges that using satire can be effective against authoritarian regimes, as they have no sense of humor. They discuss how their movement has evolved over time, becoming more legitimate and gaining respect.

Effectiveness of Satire and Movement Evolution

  • Satire is effective against authoritarian regimes as they have no sense of humor.
  • The use of satire has helped gain attention for the libertarian movement.
  • Over time, the movement has become more legitimate and gained respect, evolving from its earlier fringe status.


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the absurdity of climate hysteria and how it is portrayed in the media.

The Absurdity of Climate Hysteria

  • The video about the Earth dying and climate change portrays the arguments made by advocates for climate change, but when packaged together, it appears absurd. 29:48
  • The use of cuts to words like “bad” and “depressed” in the video adds humor, but it may also provoke negative reactions from some viewers. 30:08
  • Many political arguments are not based on reality, and the speaker considers himself a cynic or realist in this regard. Arguments about topics like abortion often involve extreme positions that do not reflect actual beliefs. 30:25
  • Ethical beliefs are separate from logical justifications, and attempts to change someone’s ethical beliefs through logic rarely succeed. The Free State movement encourages people to be realistic about politics. 31:01
  • The speaker questions why people have such strong opinions on climate change when most individuals cannot engage with scientific evidence on the topic. They suggest using betting markets to gauge public opinion more accurately. 31:54


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses a humorous video about Israel-Palestine tensions and highlights the lack of meaningful discourse in politics.

Lack of Meaningful Discourse

  • A funny video was released that satirizes tweeting about Israel-Palestine tensions, highlighting how difficult it is to express opinions without facing backlash from both sides. 32:15
  • In general, political discussions lack substance and often consist of hollow words that mean nothing. People hesitate to criticize politicians even when they see through their empty rhetoric. 33:07
  • Some individuals still perceive politicians as credible and believe in their stated beliefs, while others, like the speaker, are more skeptical and resistant to groupthink. 33:22


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker reflects on the strong opinions people hold on climate change and suggests that a focus on market-oriented solutions could be more effective.

Strong Opinions on Climate Change

  • The speaker finds it curious how many people have such strong and confident opinions on climate change when they may not have extensive knowledge or expertise in the field. They propose using betting markets to gauge public sentiment accurately. 33:54
  • The concern about climate change often lacks interest in market-oriented solutions that could potentially address the problem effectively. This aligns with other left-leaning concerns that prioritize different motivations over practical solutions. 34:29

35:04 The Motivation Behind Bureaucracy

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the motivations behind the preference for bureaucrats to be in charge and superior to those doing the work. They argue that this preference stems from a view that certain individuals are seen as a threat and that bureaucrats are needed to reign them in.

Motivations for Bureaucracy

  • The preference for bureaucrats to be in charge is driven by a belief that certain individuals pose a threat.
  • Bureaucrats are viewed as superior to those doing the work and building.
  • The motivation behind this preference is more emotional than logical.
  • Many justifications given for this preference, such as helping the poor or saving the environment, may not be sincere or genuinely held beliefs.

35:22 Emotional Motivations vs Logical Motivations

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker explores how many political beliefs are driven by emotional motivations rather than logical ones. They suggest that people often come up with logical reasons to justify their political beliefs, but these reasons may not reflect their true motivations.

Emotional vs Logical Motivations

  • Political beliefs are often driven by emotional motivations rather than logical ones.
  • People may come up with logical reasons to justify their political beliefs, but these reasons may not accurately reflect their true motivations.
  • There is a tendency for individuals to believe they know better than others and distrust the free market, leading them to advocate for policies based on their own perceived superiority.

35:58 Luxury Beliefs and Environmental Concerns

Section Overview: This section focuses on environmental concerns and how they have evolved over time. The speaker suggests that caring about the environment has become a luxury belief and questions whether there is an objective basis for some of the existential threats presented.

Caring About Environment as a Luxury Belief

  • Caring about the environment is seen as a luxury belief.
  • In the past, environmental concerns were more tangible and easily understood (e.g., pollution, litter).
  • Present-day concerns, such as rising sea levels or temperature increases, are more abstract and harder to form opinions on.
  • The speaker questions the validity of some existential threats, pointing out that many previous predictions of doom have not come true.

36:34 Alarmism and its Effectiveness

Section Overview: This section discusses alarmism as a strategy and questions its effectiveness in driving change. The speaker suggests that throughout history, alarmist attitudes have often been proven wrong.

Alarmism as a Strategy

  • Alarmism is often used as a strategy to promote certain beliefs or agendas.
  • Throughout history, many alarmist predictions have not come true (e.g., asteroid impacts, global catastrophes).
  • The speaker advocates for a more balanced and less alarmist approach when addressing environmental concerns.

37:44 Self-Motivating Political Beliefs

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker explores how political beliefs are ultimately self-motivating. They suggest that this analysis can be applied to both left-leaning individuals and libertarians.

Self-Motivating Political Beliefs

  • Most political beliefs are ultimately self-motivating.
  • Left-leaning individuals may advocate for policies that benefit certain groups while claiming to help those in need.
  • Libertarians may prioritize their own interests and rationalize societal design based on what benefits them personally.
  • It is important to recognize our own biases and engage with others who hold different beliefs.

38:59 Owning Our Beliefs and Engaging with Others

Section Overview: This section emphasizes the importance of owning our beliefs, being good neighbors, and engaging with others who hold different perspectives. The New State Project is highlighted as an example of people openly living their beliefs.

Owning Our Beliefs and Engaging with Others

  • It is important to own our beliefs and live by example.
  • Being good neighbors and community members involves engaging with others who hold different perspectives.
  • The New State Project is mentioned as a positive example of people openly living their beliefs and engaging with the wider community.

40:40 The Motivating Impulse of Leftism

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the fundamental motivating impulse of leftism and provides an example of how it relates to environmentalists’ perception of Elon Musk.

The Motivating Impulse of Leftism

  • The fundamental motivating impulse of leftism is the belief that everyone should be at the same level.
  • Environmentalists criticize Elon Musk because they perceive his achievements as fake, despite his significant contributions.
  • Elon Musk’s accomplishments, such as his plans for Mars colonization, make him a highly respected figure.
  • People are moving away from California due to dissatisfaction with its governance, which exemplifies voting with one’s feet.

41:59 Evaluating States and Internal Conflicts

Section Overview: This section focuses on evaluating states like Texas and discussing internal conflicts within the libertarian movement.

Evaluating States

  • Texas has an unfairly good reputation compared to other states in terms of personal freedoms and regulatory freedoms.
  • Florida is considered a decent choice among American states.
  • Texas often threatens to become independent, which appeals to libertarians.
  • While Texas is not a bad place to be, it may not rank as high as perceived when objectively evaluating states.

Internal Conflicts in Libertarian Movement

  • Internal conflicts are common within any sufficiently sized movement, including the libertarian party and free staters.
  • People tend to focus on their own group’s conflicts while assuming others work together harmoniously.
  • On the whole, libertarians collaborate more than they disagree. However, there are occasional internal conflicts within both groups.
  • Structural reforms could benefit the libertarian party by reducing factional divisions and ensuring better resource management.

45:11 Internal Conflict in Free State Project Board

Section Overview: This section discusses the internal conflict within the Free State Project board of directors.

Free State Project Board of Directors

  • The Free State Project board of directors is a private organization consisting of five appointed members.
  • The board manages the Free State Project website, social media feeds, and organizes events like Pork Fest and Liberty Forum.
  • There has been internal conflict among the board members, leading to disagreements and potential removals.

46:31 Style and Emotional Triggers

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses their confrontational and aggressive style, as well as how it can emotionally trigger people. They also address the impact of emotional triggers on intellectual conversations.

Speaker’s Style and Emotional Triggers

  • The speaker acknowledges that their style can be confrontational or aggressive at times.
  • They mention that some critics struggle to engage in an intellectual conversation due to being emotionally triggered.
  • The speaker shares an example of a formal debate they had with Matt Kibbe, where they won by presenting facts.
  • Despite triggering emotions in others, the speaker still supports the free state project and sees criticism as a decision made by two individuals.
  • Some people encourage the speaker to start an alternative project, but they prefer engaging in delicate politicking and maintaining unity within the movement.

47:49 Competition and Unity

Section Overview: This section focuses on competition within the movement and the importance of unity against those who want to increase government power.

Creating Competition

  • The idea of creating competition within the movement is discussed.
  • The analogy of choosing between Coke and Pepsi is used to highlight how competition can be beneficial.
  • The speaker expresses a desire for unity against those who aim to increase state power in New Hampshire.

49:22 Roles and Library CEO

Section Overview: Here, the speaker talks about their role as CEO of Library (owner of Odyssey) and their experience with legal battles involving securities issues.

Speaker’s Role and Legal Battles

  • The speaker introduces themselves as the CEO of Library, which owns Odyssey, a web three video social sharing platform with millions of monthly visitors.
  • They mention facing legal battles with the US government over securities issues instead of copyright concerns.
  • A long lawsuit with the SEC resulted in uncertain outcomes for both entities involved.

50:42 Part-Time Involvement and Career Choices

Section Overview: This section explores the speaker’s involvement in activism and their career choices, including tech entrepreneurship and stand-up comedy.

Speaker’s Involvement and Career Choices

  • The speaker describes their involvement in activism as a part-time endeavor alongside their work.
  • They mention having previous experience in tech entrepreneurship.
  • Stand-up comedy is mentioned as a potential career choice, but the speaker believes there is more money in tech companies.

51:44 Future of Free State Project

Section Overview: The final section discusses the future of the free state project and the speaker’s commitment to it.

Future Plans for Free State Project

  • The speaker expresses continued support for the free state project despite occasional disagreements.
  • They mention considering various options for the future but are not rushing into making decisions.
  • The conversation concludes with a lighthearted discussion about life choices, referencing Bill Hicks as an activist comedian.

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Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the structure and dynamics of different groups within the Free State Project. They also touch upon the importance of being proud of one’s libertarian beliefs and potential challenges faced by free cities.

Structure and Dynamics of Free State Project Groups

  • The Free State Project consists of various groups with their own focuses, such as marketing.
  • These groups communicate with each other but do not necessarily align their plans completely.
  • Occasionally, there may be conflicts or stepping on each other’s toes, but overall people are friendly.

Being Proud of Libertarian Beliefs

  • The speaker believes in being proud of their libertarian beliefs and considers them morally right.
  • They emphasize that they are not trying to force their beliefs on others but will not hide them either.
  • However, there can be disagreements on how vocal one should be about libertarianism.


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker shares their thoughts on the free cities movement and highlights both its potential and challenges. They discuss how innovative activities in a free city can also pose existential threats to its existence.

Potential and Challenges of Free Cities Movement

  • The speaker sees great potential in the free cities movement if enough people participate.
  • However, they believe that everything interesting done in a free city can also become an existential threat to it.
  • Examples include biotech advancements, financial innovations, or any activity that attracts attention from multinational corporations or governments.


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker compares the challenges faced by free cities with those encountered in New Hampshire. They discuss how established practices provide more safety for innovation in New Hampshire compared to newer initiatives.

Challenges Faced by Free Cities vs. New Hampshire

  • The speaker acknowledges that New Hampshire also faces challenges similar to those of free cities.
  • However, they believe that New Hampshire has more safety due to its established practices and acceptance of certain activities.
  • Free cities, on the other hand, are newer initiatives with laws that haven’t been tested as extensively.


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the potential value and challenges associated with unlocking new industries or technologies. They mention examples like changing state laws to enable forbidden industries or the regulation of AI.

Unlocking Industries and Technologies

  • The speaker highlights the value in unlocking industries or technologies that have been restricted by governments.
  • They mention examples such as changing state laws to allow previously forbidden industries.
  • The speaker also mentions the potential regulation or neutering of promising technologies like AI due to political or copyright reasons.


Section Overview: In this section, the speaker reflects on how the internet has facilitated the circulation of libertarian ideas and enabled people to find like-minded individuals through social media platforms.

Internet’s Impact on Libertarian Ideas

  • The speaker acknowledges that social media has accelerated the spread of libertarian ideas and helped people find their tribe.
  • They attribute this phenomenon to the internet’s ability to destroy middlemen in various institutions and businesses.
  • The speaker suggests that libertarian ideas may not have circulated as much before but are now more accessible through platforms like TikTok.

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57:52 The Potential of Online Movements and Free Cities

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the potential of online movements and how free cities can adopt and implement innovative ideas without formal structures.

Online Movements Backfilling Ideas

  • Online movements have the potential to backfill and adopt ideas from other sources.
  • Free cities can benefit from these ideas without being bound by formal structures proposed by others.

Regulation Challenges for Free Cities

  • Free cities face challenges when it comes to regulating artificial intelligence (AI).
  • If a free city decides not to regulate AI, there may be consequences or restrictions imposed by other entities.
  • Different countries have different regulations, which can lead to conflicts in terms of what is allowed in each jurisdiction.

Containment Strategies for Emerging Technologies

  • Certain technologies or platforms that challenge established interests may face containment strategies.
  • Examples include copyright infringement cases like The Pirate Bay positioning themselves in certain countries.
  • Governments may use lawsuits, press coverage, or public perception to create a sense of illegitimacy around these technologies.

Political Savviness for Free City Founders

  • Navigating the complex political landscape is crucial for free city founders.
  • Having someone who is politically savvy can help them navigate challenges and threats effectively.
  • Building relationships with politicians and influential individuals can provide support and legitimacy.

58:26 Strategies for Navigating Threats

Section Overview: This section explores strategies for navigating threats faced by free cities when they unlock new possibilities that challenge established interests.

Unlocking New Possibilities

  • The main opportunity for free cities lies in unlocking possibilities that cannot be achieved elsewhere.
  • These possibilities inherently threaten established interests and power centers.

Setting Up Navigation Mechanisms

  • It is important to set up mechanisms to navigate threats effectively.
  • This includes having a pool of resources for navigating challenges, such as funds for bribes or payments.
  • Bribes in this context refer to supporting local charities or engaging in mutually beneficial relationships with politicians.

Building Legitimacy and Popular Support

  • Free cities should aim to build legitimacy through popular support.
  • Engaging with celebrities and influential individuals can help gain recognition and support.
  • Popular support acts as another form of legitimacy and can counter threats from established interests.

59:56 The Complex Political Challenge

Section Overview: This section delves into the complex political challenge faced by free city founders and the need for political savvy in navigating it effectively.

Navigating the Political Landscape

  • Navigating the political landscape is not a black-and-white outcome but a complex challenge with various possibilities.
  • Free city founders need to assess whether they have the skills to navigate this landscape effectively.

Examples of Containment Strategies

  • Containment strategies have been used against emerging technologies like Bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
  • While these technologies cannot be completely stopped, containment strategies limit their widespread adoption among the general public.

01:01:26 Legal Challenges Faced by Free Cities

Section Overview: This section discusses legal challenges faced by free cities, using examples from Prospera’s experience with its Zone of Economic Development.

Legal Battles for Independence

  • Prospera, a free city, faced legal battles when its independence was challenged by a new government.
  • The case is currently in court, with Prospera relying on the legality of an international agreement it signed.

Political Motivations vs. Legality

  • The government’s opposition may be politically motivated rather than based on legality.
  • Despite facing challenges, Prospera is expected to win due to the strength of its legal argument.

01:02:44 Lessons from Seasteading

Section Overview: This section explores lessons learned from seasteading, including the need for a flag and examples of challenges faced by seasteaders.

Lessons from Seasteading

  • Seasteaders learned the importance of having a flag to establish their presence and protect their interests.
  • Examples include a platform off the coast of Thailand that was taken over by the Thai Army despite its legality.

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01:03:19(t=3799s) The Importance of Government Understanding

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of governments understanding and supporting initiatives like free cities. They highlight the case of Honduras with Prospera and how governments benefit from investments and tax revenue.

Governments’ Perspective on Free Cities

  • Governments often desire investments, tax revenue, and other benefits that initiatives like free cities can bring.
  • However, there can be opposition from certain political groups who view free markets as neocolonialism or land theft.
  • It is important to note that in Prospera Honduras, 95% of people are Hondurans by law, including workers and office staff.

01:03:38(t=3818s) Political Challenges for Free Cities

Section Overview: This section focuses on the political challenges faced by free city initiatives due to opposition from left-leaning groups who dislike free markets and have concerns about different governance systems.

Opposition from Left-Leaning Groups

  • Left-leaning groups often oppose free city initiatives due to their dislike for free markets.
  • Some perceive it as neocolonialism or land theft.
  • Despite the fact that most people in these initiatives are locals (e.g., Central Americans in Prospera), opposition persists.

01:04:14(t=3854s) Building Ambitious Free Cities

Section Overview: Here, the speaker discusses the ambition behind building meaningful cities within the framework of free city initiatives. They also mention potential challenges faced during this process.

Ambition to Build Meaningful Cities

  • The goal is to build a real city that becomes a significant player in international commerce and markets.
  • This ambition makes the process complicated and politically tricky right from the start.
  • Even before any progress is made, just the idea itself triggers opposition from certain groups.

01:05:33(t=3933s) Progression of Free City Initiatives

Section Overview: This section explores the progression of free city initiatives, starting with special economic zones and eventually expanding to include residential areas.

Progression of Initiatives

  • Many free city initiatives begin as special economic zones, which are already prevalent worldwide.
  • Governments observe the benefits of these zones and consider expanding them to include residential areas.
  • The idea is to attract people who want to live in these cities due to the presence of businesses and Western legal systems.

01:06:54(t=4014s) Psychological Impulses and Incentives

Section Overview: Here, the speaker discusses psychological impulses and incentives that influence the acceptance or rejection of free city initiatives. They draw parallels with Bitcoin adoption.

Psychological Impulses and Incentives

  • Some individuals have a psychological grievance against the idea of building a city with different rules.
  • Politicians may pander to this impulse, recognizing its existence among a portion of the population.
  • Similar to Bitcoin adoption, personal incentives can influence politicians’ support for free city initiatives.

01:07:49(t=4069s) Demand for Different Governance Systems

Section Overview: This section explores why there is no demand for socialist or communist free cities compared to other governance models.

Lack of Demand for Socialist/Communist Free Cities

  • There is little demand for socialist or communist free cities because people are unlikely to come solely for social security benefits.
  • Philanthropists may contribute funds, but most people are attracted by the prospect of receiving various services for free.
  • Additionally, governments may prefer individuals who contribute economically rather than those solely dependent on social benefits.

01:08:23(t=4103s) Politics as a Factor in Free City Success

Section Overview: The speaker highlights how politics plays a significant role in the success of free city initiatives and discusses the possibility of left-leaning utopias coexisting within the same framework.

Politics as a Factor

  • The success of free city initiatives often depends on the politics of the host government.
  • Left-leaning utopias can also exist within the same framework, as free cities aim to accommodate various governance models.
  • However, it is crucial to recognize that politics heavily influence the feasibility and acceptance of these initiatives.

01:08:57 Political Reasoning and Coexistence

Section Overview: The speaker discusses the concept of political reasoning and the idea of coexistence with different ideologies. They mention the possibility of devolved small city states where people can choose to live in their preferred ideological environment.

Political Reasoning and Benefit Module

  • The speaker mentions having arguments that benefit themselves and people like them.
  • They question whether it is better for them or for others to coexist with different ideologies.
  • There is a suggestion of having separate physical spaces for different ideologies.

Devolved Small City States

  • The speaker proposes the idea of devolved small city states where jurisdictions compete for business.
  • People can choose to live in their preferred ideological environment, such as a leftist utopia or other types of communities.
  • The market would determine who goes to live in each jurisdiction.

Competitiveness and Equality

  • It is acknowledged that certain ideologies may not be competitive in the marketplace.
  • Workers cooperatives or worker-owned businesses are mentioned as examples that may struggle to compete.
  • The only way to enforce workplace equality is through making certain practices illegal.

01:10:07 Will Left Utopian Cities Be Competitive?

Section Overview: The speaker questions whether left utopian cities or worker-owned businesses will be competitive in reality, despite the idealistic vision. They express uncertainty about these ideas being successful in practice.

Competitiveness of Left Utopian Cities

  • While there is enthusiasm for left utopian cities being competitive, it is questioned if they will actually succeed in the marketplace.
  • Existing agitation for workers cooperatives shows that they are not currently competitive.
  • Workers have the ability to save money, invest, and own businesses but often do not pursue these options.

Uncertainty about Success

  • There are doubts about whether left utopian cities or worker-owned businesses will be able to compete effectively.
  • The speaker acknowledges that their guess is that these ideas may not be competitive in reality.

01:11:34 Attitudes towards the Future

Section Overview: The speaker discusses attitudes towards the future and expresses optimism about the potential for improvement. They highlight the importance of having goals and making progress towards them.

Nihilism vs. Making the Most of What’s Happening

  • Two attitudes towards the future are mentioned: nihilism and making the most of what’s happening.
  • The speaker aligns with the latter attitude, wanting to have a positive future to work towards.
  • Despite acknowledging that things can get better, they emphasize the need to find ways that work within reality.

Optimism and Progress

  • The speaker expresses optimism about the future and believes that things can improve over time.
  • They appreciate efforts made by individuals working on projects like free cities and creating frontiers.
  • It is noted that creators, inventors, and innovators are often underappreciated despite their contributions.

01:13:15 Personal Goals and New Hampshire

Section Overview: The speaker shares their personal goals and aspirations, focusing on moving towards a society based on private property rights. They mention New Hampshire as a potential space for working towards this goal.

Moving Towards Private Property Rights

  • The speaker aims to move society closer to a system based on private property rights, voluntary contracts, and separate rules for different jurisdictions.
  • They express a desire for New Hampshire to become a frontier space where progress can be made in this direction.

Working Towards Change

  • If another place achieves these goals before New Hampshire does, the speaker is open to relocating there.
  • However, they see New Hampshire as an opportunity to contribute towards moving society in the desired direction.
  • The speaker wants to actively work towards a positive future and make a meaningful contribution.

01:14:39 What is Pork Fest?

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker explains what Pork Fest is and provides an overview of the event.

Introduction to Pork Fest

  • Pork Fest is the longest running and one of the largest libertarian events in the world.
  • It takes place in the White Mountains of New Hampshire for 6 days.
  • The event attracts around 2500 to 3000 people.
  • Most attendees camp, but there are also hotels and Airbnb options available.
  • Approximately 20% of people choose non-camping accommodations.

Activities at Pork Fest

  • Pork Fest offers a week-long calendar of activities including talks, workshops, classes, vendors, food, sports events, and hiking trips.
  • There is a main venue that can hold up to 500 to 1000 people for larger events. Other activities take place in smaller venues created by attendees themselves.
  • Anyone can put anything on the schedule, making it a bottom-up festival where participants shape their experience.

Family-Friendly Environment

  • Families are welcome at Pork Fest. There is a designated family zone where kids can enjoy playgrounds and participate in kid-friendly activities.
  • The campground has specific zones for different purposes. The Southwest zone functions as a red light district and is not suitable for children without parental supervision.

European Attendance and Recommendations

  • Europeans do attend Pork Fest, and it’s recommended for anyone interested in libertarianism or wanting to experience a unique festival atmosphere with elements of capitalism.
  • Several hundred kids usually attend with their families during Pork Fest.
  • The event takes place during the last week of June each year when weather conditions are favorable.

Ticket Availability

  • Tickets for camping sites tend to sell out quickly due to limited capacity. It’s advisable to secure tickets as soon as possible.

01:18:41 What Happens at Pork Fest?

Section Overview: In this section, the speaker provides more details about the activities and attractions at Pork Fest.

Additional Attractions

  • Apart from the main events, there are additional attractions such as a pig roast organized by a local farm.
  • The festival offers a variety of experiences beyond what one might expect, making it an exciting and unique event to attend.

Exploring Year-Round

  • While Pork Fest is an excellent time to visit, there are activities happening throughout the year in the Free State movement.
  • Visitors can explore the local community centers and clubhouses during their stay.

Getting Involved in Libertarianism

  • To get involved in libertarianism or learn more about it, one can visit fsp.org and connect with staff members who can provide guidance and introductions to the movement.


Section Overview: The speaker encourages anyone interested in New Hampshire to reach out to them personally or contact the Free State Project (FSP) for assistance.

Expressing Interest and Contact Information

  • Anyone is welcome to reach out to the speaker personally.
  • The Free State Project (FSP) can also provide assistance.
  • Contact the FSP and they will work with you.


Section Overview: The speaker expresses their enjoyment of exploring different projects related to the free city concept.

Exploring Different Projects

  • The speaker describes their experience as “awesome” when exploring various projects.
  • They believe that these different projects are all part of a grand tapestry of life.