“Previously, whenever people gathered with friends for dinner or lunch, the first question that would usually come up was ‘Will you leave Hong Kong?’. 

In the last two or three years, that question has changed to ‘When are you going to leave Hong Kong?“‘.

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On today’s podcast, I’m talking with Ivan Ko.

Ivan is a real estate development and finance veteran from Hong Kong who has more recently turned his hand to the production of 21st century charter cities in his role as CEO of Victoria Harbour Group.

In this conversation we discuss Ivan’s reasons for leaving his homeland of Hong Kong and the ensuing international journey that has culminated with him pitching a very ambitious Free City project to a council in the south east of England.

Enjoy the conversation.

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00:11 Welcome to the Free Cities Podcast

The host, Timothy Allen, introduces himself as the host of the Free Cities Podcast and mentions that this is the official podcast of the Free Cities.

Introduction to Episode 60

  • Timothy Allen mentions that this episode is recorded at Liberty in our Lifetime, an annual conference held in Prague.
  • The guest for this episode is Ivan Ko, a real estate development and finance veteran from Hong Kong who is now involved in the production of 21st Century Charter cities.
  • They discuss Ivan’s reasons for leaving Hong Kong and his ambitious free city project in southeast England.

00:29 Episode 60: Conversation with Ivan Co

Timothy Allen introduces Episode 60 and mentions that it features a conversation with Ivan Ko about his involvement in free cities.

Ivan’s Background and Involvement in Free Cities

  • Ivan Ko is from Hong Kong and has lived and worked there his whole life.
  • He shares that he never thought about leaving Hong Kong except during two instances – after the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 and during the anti-extradition bill protests in 2019.
  • During both events, many Hong Kong people were concerned about their freedom being compromised by mainland China’s influence.
  • Ivan applied for a visa to Singapore after Tiananmen Square but decided to stay in Hong Kong due to its freedom and prospects at that time.
  • In 2019, when Beijing proposed an extradition bill allowing trials of Hong Kong residents in mainland China, Ivan joined millions of protesters who took to the streets fearing loss of autonomy.

01:23 Choosing UK for Free City Project

This section discusses why Ivan chose the UK for his free city project, which is considered unusual within the free city space.

  • Ivan explains that he chose the UK for his project because of its stability, rule of law, and existing legal framework.
  • He believes that the UK has a strong foundation for creating a free city and attracting international investors.
  • Ivan mentions that the council in southeast England showed interest in his ambitious free city project.

02:09 Conversation with Ivan Ko Continues

The conversation with Ivan Ko continues as they discuss his talk at Liberty in our Lifetime conference.

Discussing Ivan’s Talk

  • Timothy Allen mentions that he couldn’t attend Ivan’s talk but would like to discuss it now.
  • They plan to have a better version of Ivan’s talk through their conversation.

02:42 Introduction to Ivan Co

Timothy Allen asks Ivan Ko to introduce himself before discussing his involvement in free cities.

Introducing Himself

  • Ivan Ko introduces himself as a Hong Kong native who has always lived and worked there.
  • He describes Hong Kong as a city with freedom, diverse ideas, and a booming creative industry.
  • He shares how he considered leaving Hong Kong after the Tiananmen Square massacre and during the anti-extradition bill protests.

03:03 Involvement in Free Cities Arena

This section focuses on how Ivan became involved in the free cities arena.

  • After living through significant events like Tiananmen Square and the anti-extradition bill protests, many Hong Kong people wanted to secure their freedom by exploring opportunities outside of Hong Kong.
  • Singapore was a popular choice for immigration due to its proximity and acceptance of qualified immigrants from Hong Kong.
  • However, despite considering leaving twice, Ivan decided to stay in Hong Kong due to its status as one of the best cities globally with freedom and prospects.

04:00 Reasons for Leaving Hong Kong

Ivan explains the reasons behind considering leaving Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square massacre.

  • The Tiananmen Square massacre was a significant event that raised concerns among Hong Kong people about their future under mainland China’s control.
  • Ivan applied for a visa to Singapore but ultimately decided to stay in Hong Kong due to its freedom and prospects at that time.

04:24 Situation in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square

This section provides more details about the situation in Hong Kong during the time of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

  • People in Hong Kong were deeply concerned about the events unfolding in Beijing and believed that something tragic was happening.
  • The government’s response, including sending soldiers and tanks, led to sadness and anger among Hong Kong residents.
  • Many joined protests and demonstrations, including a rally with one million participants, expressing their opposition to the Chinese Communist Party’s actions.

04:46 Protests against Extradition Bill

This section discusses the protests against the extradition bill proposed by Beijing in 2019.

  • In 2019, Beijing proposed an extradition bill that would allow trials of Hong Kong residents in mainland China.
  • This sparked fear among many Hong Kong people who saw it as an infringement on their autonomy and legal system.
  • Millions of people took to the streets over consecutive weekends to protest against this bill, showing their resistance towards China’s increasing control over Hong Kong.

05:35 Perception of Chinese Communist Party

Ivan shares how many people in Hong Kong started perceiving the Chinese Communist Party after these events.

  • The events like Tiananmen Square and the extradition bill protests made many people in Hong Kong view the Chinese Communist Party as unpredictable and wanting full control over them.
  • As a result, many Hong Kong residents sought visas and passports from other countries, with Singapore being a popular choice.

05:43 Applying for Visas in Other Countries

Ivan explains the process of applying for visas in other countries during these uncertain times.

  • Many Hong Kong people applied for visas and passports in other countries to secure their future.
  • Singapore was particularly popular among Hong Kong immigrants, especially those with good qualifications and academic achievements.
  • The Singapore government welcomed Hong Kong immigrants, making it an attractive option for those seeking stability and freedom.

06:10 Perception of Singapore

Ivan shares his perception of Singapore as a potential destination during that time.

  • Ivan mentions that he had traveled around Southeast Asia in his 20s and 30s and saw Singapore as a place where they often stopped before heading elsewhere.
  • However, despite considering leaving Hong Kong twice, he ultimately decided to stay due to the city’s freedom and prospects at that time.

06:33 Freedom and Prospects in Hong Kong

This section highlights the freedom and prospects that made Hong Kong an attractive place to live at that time.

  • Ivan describes Hong Kong as one of the best cities globally, if not the best, due to its freedom of thought, diverse ideas, criticism, opinions, information flow from around the world, creativity industry boom, and prospects for the future.
  • These factors contributed to him choosing to stay in Hong Kong despite considering leaving on two occasions.

07:06 Anti-extradition Bill Protests

This section focuses on the anti-extradition bill protests in 2019 and their impact on people’s perception of China’s control over Hong Kong.

  • In 2019, when Beijing proposed an extradition bill allowing trials of Hong Kong residents in mainland China, millions of people took to the streets.
  • The protests were a response to the fear that China wanted full control over Hong Kong and would compromise its autonomy and legal system.
  • Ivan participated in one of these protests, along with many other Hong Kong residents.

07:36 Concerns about Extradition Bill

Ivan explains the concerns surrounding the extradition bill proposed by Beijing.

  • The extradition bill raised concerns because it would allow Beijing to accuse any Hong Kong resident who had been in China before of committing crimes and extradite them for trial in mainland China.
  • This was seen as unacceptable because it would subject Hong Kong residents to a different legal system than their own, undermining their rights and freedoms.

08:00 Perception of

09:21 Moving to an International Charter City

The speaker discusses their decision to move and focus on developing an International Charter City. They mention their experience in real estate projects and the need to be physically present in different locations for real estate ventures.

Reasons for Moving and Real Estate Experience

  • The speaker had experience in real estate projects and expressed disinterest in traditional real estate ventures.
  • They were interested in developing an International Charter City.
  • Two main factors influenced their decision to move:
    • Criticism as a separatist due to media interviews discussing their plans.
    • The need to physically visit potential project sites, talk to people, and engage with governments.

10:59 Protests in Hong Kong

The speaker discusses the protests that took place in Hong Kong in 2019. They mention the large number of people participating, the damage caused during the protests, and the government’s response.

Protests and Government Response

  • In June, there was a major protest with one to two million people taking to the streets.
  • The government insisted on passing a law despite public opposition.
  • On July 1st, protesters broke into the legislative council building, causing significant damage.
  • The government ignored the concerns of millions of protesters.
  • Police violence escalated towards protesters, leading to some individuals disappearing.
  • After months of unrest, the chief executive announced that the bill was withdrawn.

14:05 District Council Election as a Victory for Hong Kong People

The speaker highlights the district council election as a significant victory for pro-democracy forces in Hong Kong. They discuss how this outcome sent a warning signal to Beijing about future legislative council elections.

District Council Election Outcome

  • In that year (not specified), the district council election resulted in a big victory for pro-democracy forces.
  • Pro-democrat camp won about 70% of all seats in district councils.
  • This outcome sent a warning signal to Beijing that pro-democracy forces could gain a majority in future legislative council elections.

15:18 Moving Towards an International Charter City

The speaker explains their interest in developing an International Charter City and how it aligns with their vision for retirees seeking a different living environment.

Interest in International Charter City

  • The speaker had been considering the idea of an International Charter City for some time.
  • They were inspired by Paul Romer’s proposal and TED talks on the concept.
  • Their vision was to create a new living environment, particularly for Asian retirees, offering a rural setting with healthier lifestyles.

17:39 The Impact of Disappearing Chinese Investors in Malaysia

In this section, the speaker discusses the impact of Chinese investors disappearing from Malaysia and how it affected the country.

Impact on Chinese Investors

  • Due to certain events causing concern among Chinese investors, they stopped going to Malaysia for a few years.
  • This decline in investment had significant consequences for the country’s economy.

Shifting Focus to International Charter City

  • In 2019, the speaker’s friend approached them about building projects overseas.
  • Instead of just providing an opportunity for themselves and their family to move, they decided to focus on developing an International Charter City.
  • The goal was not only to facilitate their own relocation but also to provide a solution for other Hong Kong people who wanted to leave but struggled with integrating into new environments as immigrants.

Preserving Culture and Meeting Demand

  • Many Chinese immigrants or second/third-generation individuals from Hong Kong no longer speak Cantonese or read Chinese.
  • The speaker believes that preserving culture is important and wants to create a critical mass of Hong Kong people moving abroad.
  • By developing a Charter City, they aim to meet the demand of those wanting to leave Hong Kong while maintaining their cultural identity.

18:02 Creating New Cities for Hong Kong People

This section focuses on the vision of creating new cities specifically designed for Hong Kong people who want to relocate.

Building from Scratch

  • The International Charter City planned for Hong Kong people would be a completely new city built from scratch.
  • It would offer infrastructure, commercial areas, retail spaces, and all necessary amenities.

Moving Away from Traditional Chinatowns

  • Previous waves of immigration resulted in the development of Chinatowns in various cities around the world.
  • However, the speaker dislikes traditional Chinatowns due to poor urban design, messy streetscapes, and lack of cleanliness.
  • They believe that developing a new city from the ground up would be a better approach to provide a fresh start for Hong Kong people.

Integrating Generations

  • The speaker emphasizes the importance of intergenerational living in the new city.
  • They envision old and young people living together, allowing for healthier interactions and support systems.
  • This integration also extends to local residents and people from around the world, fostering diversity and inclusivity.

21:40 Principles of an Integrated Charter City

In this section, the speaker discusses the principles they aim to implement in their International Charter City project.

Integration

  • The International Charter City should be integrated in several ways:
    • Intergenerational: Old and young people living together, creating a supportive environment.
    • Local Integration: Connecting with local communities beyond just Hong Kong people.
    • Work-Life Balance: Ensuring residents can live close to their workplaces for convenience.

Family-Friendly Environment

  • Creating a family-friendly environment is one of the key principles.
  • The goal is to provide an ideal setting for raising children and promoting family values.

Rebuilding Neighborhoods

  • The speaker believes that neighborhoods play a crucial role in supporting each other.
  • They aim to rebuild neighborhoods within the International Charter City, fostering good relationships among residents.

Fostering Younger Generation

  • Providing an environment where younger generations can grow up in a positive way is another principle.
  • The focus is on nurturing versatile individuals who excel in multiple areas rather than just one specific skill.

25:43 The Importance of Neighborhood Design in Charter Cities

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of addressing neighborhood design in charter cities and shares their agreement with the interviewer’s viewpoint. They also mention their experience traveling in China and observing the contrast between old and new residential layouts.

Neighborhood Design in Charter Cities

  • 26:07 The layout of residential places in China has changed significantly with the introduction of high-rise buildings.
  • 26:30 In a charter city, the speaker envisions a neighborhood with low-density family houses and limited tall buildings (no higher than several floors).
  • 27:19 Open spaces along streets are crucial, providing areas for people to sit, walk their dogs, and interact with neighbors.
  • 27:42 Streets should be designed to encourage walking, running, and cycling as these activities promote neighborly interactions and familiarity with the environment.
  • 28:33 Retail shops should focus on creating relationships rather than purely commercial transactions. Mom-and-pop shops or neighborhood stores foster connections between customers.
  • 29:03 Incorporating amenities for art, culture, heritage, and hosting events can make a city more attractive to young people and new businesses.

29:32 Exploration of Potential Locations for Charter Cities

In this section, the speaker discusses their exploration of potential locations for charter cities after facing challenges in Indonesia. They mention considering an island south of Singapore but encountering issues related to bribery. They then discuss their engagement with officials from Ireland who showed receptiveness towards charter cities.

Potential Locations Explored

  • 30:00 An island south of Singapore was considered as a potential location for a charter city but faced obstacles due to bribery demands from military representatives.
  • 30:18 The speaker lived in Indonesia and recalls traveling by ship from Singapore to Jakarta, stopping at various islands along the way. Many of these islands were being considered for development.
  • 31:27 After Indonesia, the speaker explored potential locations in Ireland. They found the Irish government officials receptive to the idea of charter cities.
  • 33:00 Ireland’s favorable aspects included a strong economy with low corporate tax rates and a desire to expand their population and develop new cities.

Note: The transcript provided does not cover further details about the exploration of locations beyond Ireland.

33:50 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker discusses their thoughts on potential locations for relocation and the result of speaking with people in Ireland.

Considering Potential Locations

  • The speaker initially did not consider Europe as a potential location due to bureaucracy.
  • They believe that free and democratic countries with law-abiding governments are ideal.
  • The European Union (EU) is seen as a good option due to its openness to many countries.
  • Ireland was initially considered, but the focus shifted due to the British government’s announcement of the BNO Visa for Hong Kong people.

35:01 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker explains why they shifted their focus from Ireland to the UK after the announcement of the BNO Visa.

Shift in Focus to the UK

  • The speaker emphasizes that freedom and democracy are important for Hong Kong people.
  • The British government’s announcement of the BNO Visa opened doors for Hong Kong people born before 1997.
  • The BNO Visa allows individuals to work, live, study, or retire in the UK.
  • It also allows bringing dependents like children and parents.
  • Approximately 3 million individuals qualify for the BNO Visa, potentially reaching 5.3 million when including dependents.

36:20 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker discusses their efforts in establishing a charter city in the UK and mentions a specific site they have been exploring.

Establishing a Charter City

  • The speaker has been working on establishing a charter city in the UK for over two years.
  • They are currently trying to secure sites and have been in discussions with local councils.
  • One site being explored is located in Kent, specifically near Tunbridge Wells.

38:43 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker provides more details about the site in Kent and their interactions with the local council.

Site in Kent

  • The site being considered for the charter city is quite large, covering approximately 7 square kilometers.
  • It is located in Kent, specifically near Tunbridge Wells and close to Dungeness.
  • The site has already gone through planning approval and has the potential to accommodate over 10,000 new homes.

41:07 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker addresses why there may be limited awareness of the charter city project in the UK.

Limited Awareness of Charter City Project

  • The lack of awareness about the charter city project may be due to it being a local news matter.
  • The project has been ongoing for several years, including land acquisition and planning.
  • The master plan and charter align with what they want to achieve for the charter city.

42:14 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker discusses the current stage of a development project and their feelings about its progress.

Current Stage and Feelings

  • The speaker met with the new Council leader a few weeks ago to discuss the project.
  • They expressed their desire to develop the entire site together with the Council, rather than just a single piece.
  • The speaker wants to expedite the development process, as originally it was projected to take 30 years for 10,000 new houses. They aim to shorten it to half or even 12 years.
  • The rationale behind the original timeline was based on local demand for housing each year.
  • The property would go on the open market for both people from Hong Kong and local residents to purchase houses.
  • There are already over 160,000 Hong Kong immigrants using Pino visas in the UK, living in various areas including Southampton, Brighton, Manchester, and London.
  • Creating job opportunities and providing affordable housing could attract more people from Hong Kong to come and live in the new development.

45:34 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker explains the difference between building a new town in the UK and building a charter city town.

Building a Charter City Town

  • The speaker clarifies that they do not refer to themselves as a Charter City when discussing plans with local people or government officials because it can be seen as an attempt to change political or social systems.
  • Instead, they aim to develop a 21st-century new city that integrates principles such as family-friendliness, neighborliness, environmental sustainability, and integration with local communities.
  • A charter would outline these values and principles for everyone involved in the project.
  • Cultural heritage programs may be implemented to commemorate festivals and important days related to Hong Kong’s history and relationship with the UK.
  • Building regulations would still need to be followed, respecting the heritage and legacy of the area while incorporating new elements that benefit future generations.

47:58 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker discusses the design plans for houses in the new development.

House Design Plans

  • The speaker mentions a desire to have a mix of British Victorian and modern contemporary designs to make the city or town attractive and interesting.
  • They aim to offer different choices and options for house designs, potentially allowing owners to build their own houses.
  • The goal is to create an environment that is not monotonous but offers variety and appeals to residents.

50:04 Descriptive Title

In this section, the speaker addresses potential pushback from local people regarding the development plans.

Local Reception

  • Currently, local people are not aware of the development plans as discussions have primarily been with council officials.
  • The council has engaged with the local community throughout their master planning process, conducting social engagement activities.
  • It is unclear how much pushback there may be from local residents since awareness of the project is limited at this stage.

50:46 Social Engagement and Naming the Town

The speaker discusses the importance of social engagement and mentions their desire to make improvements together. They also discuss the possibility of naming the town.

Social Engagement

  • Social engagement is a top priority for the speaker.
  • They express a desire to work together to make things better.

Naming the Town

  • The speaker mentions that they have thought about a name for the town.
  • They suggest “Happy Valley” as a potential name, inspired by a place in Hong Kong called Happy Valley.
  • There is some concern that “Happy Valley” may sound like a retirement home, but if everyone lives happily there, it could be considered a positive outcome.

52:03 Timeline and Outlook for Hong Kong

The speaker discusses uncertainty regarding the timeline for their project and shares their outlook on Hong Kong’s future.

Timeline Uncertainty

  • The speaker mentions that they have already spent two and a half years without securing the first site.
  • They admit that they do not know how long it will take, as it depends on luck.

Outlook for Hong Kong

  • The speaker believes that Hong Kong’s situation will deteriorate further in the coming years.
  • They mention negative factors such as bad news, foolish policies, and measures harming Hong Kong’s economy.
  • The stock market index has shown decreased confidence in businesses and foreigners’ investments.

54:12 Reasons for Decline in Hong Kong’s Nightlife

The speaker explains why there has been a decline in nightlife activities in Hong Kong.

Economic Factors

  • Middle-class individuals with children are planning to leave Hong Kong, resulting in reduced spending.
  • People save money for immigration rather than spending it locally.

Lack of Trust in Government

  • Young people no longer trust the government due to the targeting and arrest of protesters, including students and journalists.
  • This lack of trust leads to a decrease in spending and reluctance to go out at night.

56:34 Lack of Confidence and Trust in Hong Kong

The speaker discusses the lack of confidence and trust among Hong Kong residents.

  • Hong Kong residents lack confidence, trust, and a sense of belonging.
  • They are hesitant to spend money, raise children, or start families in Hong Kong due to the current situation.
  • The government’s actions have taken away freedom and harmed the elements that made Hong Kong successful in the past.
  • There is a disconnect between asking people to trust the government while not trusting the people themselves.

57:48 Future of Communist Party in China

The speaker shares their opinion on the future of the Communist Party in China.

  • The speaker believes that there is a powerful Communist Party in China.
  • They express concern about what has happened to similar parties in other countries.
  • However, they do not explicitly state their opinion on the future of the Communist Party.

59:10(t=3550s) The Cultural Revolution and China’s Economic Success

In this section, the speaker discusses the impact of the Cultural Revolution on the Chinese people and how China’s economic success has allowed the government to maintain legitimacy.

The Cultural Revolution and its Consequences

  • The speaker mentions that during the Cultural Revolution, many wrongdoings were committed against the Chinese people, resulting in a significant loss of life.
  • Despite these past wrongdoings, the Chinese government is still considered legitimate due to its strong economic performance over the past few decades.

Decline in Economic Performance

  • The speaker states that under President Xi Jinping’s leadership, China’s economic performance has declined.
  • Relationships with Hong Kong, Western countries, and Taiwan have been damaged.
  • The real estate market has experienced a downturn, and there are unresolved local debts in China.
  • People’s incomes have decreased, civil servants have faced salary reductions, and youth unemployment rates have risen significantly.

Challenges Faced by China

  • Foreign direct investment has decreased by 80%.
  • Exports are not performing well.
  • Foreign investment is retreating from China.
  • The speaker expresses concern about how these challenges will be resolved simultaneously.

01:00:08(t=3608s) Global Citizen Passport

In this section, the speaker introduces the concept of a global citizen passport as a means for individuals to choose where they want to live and work based on their values and principles.

Importance of Freedom and Lifestyle

  • The speaker emphasizes that freedom is highly valued by people today, especially young individuals who seek a lifestyle aligned with their values and priorities.
  • With remote work becoming more prevalent, people desire an environment where they can raise their children freely while caring for humanity and the Earth.

Introducing Global Citizen Passport

  • The speaker proposes the idea of a global citizen passport that would allow individuals to move freely between countries, choosing where they want to live and work based on their values.
  • This concept aligns with the trend of governments attracting people who have their own work or businesses and possess a global perspective.

01:03:35(t=3815s) Citizens Passports and Freedom

In this section, the speaker further explains the concept of global citizen passports and highlights the increasing number of countries offering special visas for digital nomads.

The Value of Freedom

  • The speaker reflects on how freedom is often taken for granted until it is lost, emphasizing its importance in people’s lives.
  • People today seek a lifestyle that reflects their values, principles, and priorities while providing an environment to raise children proudly.

Global Citizen Passport Trend

  • The speaker suggests that now is the right time to consider implementing a global citizen passport.
  • They mention that 22 countries have already provided special visas for digital nomads, allowing them to live and work without being citizens.
  • These countries offer benefits such as reduced taxes or even tax-free status.

01:06:35(t=3995s) Implementing Global Citizen Passport

In this section, the speaker discusses the potential implementation of a global citizen passport among libertarian societies or free cities.

Trying Out the Idea

  • The speaker believes that libertarian societies or free cities could be ideal places to start implementing the concept of a global citizen passport.
  • They express enthusiasm for exploring this idea further and mention having had this idea almost 20 years ago.

01:07:05(t=4025s) Film Crew Following Speaker

In this section, the speaker explains why there was a film crew following them recently.

Background Story

  • A few years ago, a lady approached the speaker from LinkedIn or a similar platform to discuss the International Charter City project.
  • The speaker agreed to meet and talk about the project, as they had already received significant interest from people through videos and emails.

Note: The transcript ends abruptly, and there is no further information provided in the given text.

01:08:19 Ivan’s Volunteer Documentary Project

Ivan meets a filmmaker named Kayla who wants to document the activities of the Free Cities movement. They agree to collaborate on a documentary project.

Ivan and Kayla’s Collaboration

  • Ivan meets Kayla, a filmmaker who wants to volunteer and document the activities of the Free Cities movement.
  • Kayla is a film director and offers to produce a documentary about different Hong Kong people and their actions after 2019.
  • Ivan agrees to let Kayla document their activities and gives her editorial control without interfering.
  • The documentary is not subsidized by anyone, including Ivan or the Free Cities movement.
  • Kayla aims to finish the documentary by 2025 and plans to enter it into international film competitions.

01:10:03 Crazy Dreamers in the Free Cities Movement

Ivan discusses how being called crazy can be a positive thing in pushing for change. He emphasizes the importance of having dreams and taking action.

Embracing “Crazy” Ideas

  • Kayla initially thought Ivan was crazy but changed her perspective after attending conferences and meeting other like-minded individuals.
  • Ivan believes that crazy thinking is necessary for human advancement and breakthroughs.
  • He encourages everyone to have dreams and take action towards making them a reality.
  • The Free Cities movement is filled with dreamers who are also builders, combining inspiration with practical implementation.

Conclusion

Ivan’s collaboration with filmmaker Kayla highlights their joint effort in documenting the activities of the Free Cities movement. They aim to create an impactful documentary that showcases different perspectives within Hong Kong society. Additionally, Ivan emphasizes the importance of embracing “crazy” ideas as catalysts for progress and inspiring others to pursue their